Amazon Stops Selling Illegal eMotos in CA

[PedalUma]

The new unit at the OC DA is going after parents with child abuse and reckless endangerment of a minor.

 

[Darth_Vado]

The new unit at the OC DA is going after parents with child abuse and reckless endangerment of a minor.

Good. And lets deal with these A-Holes as well

 

[PedalUma]

@Darth_Vado,
You might not know this. In order to do wheelies they need to swap the brake levers. Then they can modulate the throttle with one hand and the rear brake with the other. But if it is hydraulic, then the reservoirs are upside down. It will work at first - until it suddenly doesn't.

 

[stompandgo]

Because they're stupid and don't know how to bleed brakes. There's no need to turn them upside down.

 

[PedalUma]

Because they're stupid and don't know how to bleed brakes. There's no need to turn them upside down.

All you need to do is swap the hoses and do minor top bleed! One kid in So Cal had it happen while riding with a regular bike helmet and a car's wheel ran over his head. The parents had to identify the body of their kid who thought an eMoto was cool.

 

[Chargeride]

Surronster has totalled himself on a 80hp emoto and his entire world view has matured overnight.
I believe its a genuine reaction, hes pretty road rashed up and having to reconsider his youtube path.

Starts at 6.20

 

[PedalUma]

Contemplation of the curb after it throttles on its own! I work on all legal bikes. I just restored a FS MTB Stumpjumper. Yesterday I assembled an all steel eBike from India. The cranks were cast iron and as heavy as a frying pan. I will be replacing the twist throttle soon with a push in type thumb throttle. Twist throttles are insanity. If you are walking the bike and bump it, it will go flying into the air as the throttle gets twisted more as it rises. If the grip on a twist is against the throttle it will stay on. Carma works as well as, and in conjunction with the Darwin Awards.

 

[Gionnirocket]

I've been using a (half ) twist throttle from day one. Much easier to modulate, especially over rough terrain.
But if you're not smarter than one... then yes, please, please don't use one.

 

[PCeBiker]

,.. Twist throttles are insanity. If you are walking the bike and bump it, it will go flying into the air as the throttle gets twisted more as it rises.

You've got it wrong @PedalUma

The throttle rolls off by rolling your wrist over the top with your palm rolling forward.

When a motorcycle or ebike with a twist throttle rises up in front of you, to stand on its back wheel, the throttle rolls Off, not On.

The throttle only rolls off if you lose your grip and your fingers roll from the throttle towards you.

Try it.
Hold the rear brake on a bicycle and pull it up onto its rear wheel while holding the throttle steady, and the bike rotates not the rider.

The throttle will be rolling off as the bike stands up.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

Contemplation of the curb after it throttles on its own! I work on all legal bikes. I just restored a FS MTB Stumpjumper. Yesterday I assembled an all steel eBike from India. The cranks were cast iron and as heavy as a frying pan. I will be replacing the twist throttle soon with a push in type thumb throttle. Twist throttles are insanity. If you are walking the bike and bump it, it will go flying into the air as the throttle gets twisted more as it rises. If the grip on a twist is against the throttle it will stay on. Carma works as well as, and in conjunction with the Darwin Awards.

If you ever go on group rides with a bunch of people renting e-bikes you will eventually see this happen live in real time. It can be very exciting and often involves a visit from EMTs.

 

[PCeBiker]

Contemplation of the curb after it throttles on its own!

,.. you will eventually see this happen live in real time. It can be very exciting and often involves a visit from EMTs.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I've had it happen more than a few times, but it's worse on a motorcycle with Way more power, and a throttle with no delay.

If you give it too much throttle, and the bike pulls away from you, the throttle gets rolled On as you lose your grip and let go.


It happen to a lady in my motorcycle training course.
She somehow managed to climb over a curb at a Really shallow angle.
I don't know how she didn't fall over when she hit the curb sideways.
She went another 10-20 feet before crashing on the grass.

EMT was called and she was taken away. (She was fine. The call to EMS was mandatory.)

 

[PedalUma]

You've got it wrong @PedalUma

The throttle rolls off by rolling your wrist over the top with your palm rolling forward.

When a motorcycle or ebike with a twist throttle rises up in front of you, to stand on its back wheel, the throttle rolls Off, not On.

The throttle only rolls off if you lose your grip and your fingers roll from the throttle towards you.

Try it.
Hold the rear brake on a bicycle and pull it up onto its rear wheel while holding the throttle steady, and the bike rotates not the rider.

The throttle will be rolling off as the bike stands up.

I saw a guy smash into a glass doorway like this. As he instinctively held on the bike went higher and forward.

 

[PCeBiker]

I saw a guy smash into a glass doorway like this. As he instinctively held on the bike went higher and forward.

OK, I watched the video (starting at 6:20) and something different happened there, with the throttle activating on its own.

And BTW, he had plenty of time to grab the bars and hit the brakes when it happened.


I know that a hub motor will go to full throttle if the throttle loses its ground connection.
Any type of throttle on a hub bike can do this.
I'm pretty sure that's why hub bikes have brake switches?

If a mid-drive bike loses ground on the throttle, the throttle goes to zero power.


The Surron may have had the throttle stick open in a mechanical way, but I'm thinking it was a "digital software" type issue.

(Some systems combine brake data with throttle data on the same wire, creating a "digital failure" possibility.
Adding a Domino twist throttle to some systems creates a "brake error" code.)

 

[PCeBiker]

I saw a guy smash into a glass doorway like this. As he instinctively held on the bike went higher and forward.

I can easily launch my ebike up and away from me in a microsecond if I wanted to, especially if I used a typical Surron throttle that goes from Zero to Full throttle in about 3° of rotation.

Surron riders want an on/off switch for a throttle.

 

[Gionnirocket]

Looks like being smarter than a twist throttle may be beyond the capabilities of some.

Lesson 1: Get in the habit of always tapping down to PAS 0 whenever you dismount the bike.
Lesson 2: Get in the habit of holding one finger on the brake lever whenever you walk the bike which disables the motor.
You only need to do one to be safe.. Do both, and you are officially smarter than the throttle.
These are very simple and easy to do and well worth it for the advantages of a twist throttle.

 

[PCeBiker]

Lesson 1: Get in the habit of always tapping down to PAS 0 whenever you dismount the bike.

I decided to disable that on my BBS02B, so my throttle is always active.
My throttle for the hub drive works in PAS 0 as well, so I'm used to it.

I use it to "walk" my ebike into the


So my ebike will go 32 kph in PAS 0 if ~50 watts will make that happen.

 

[Gionnirocket]

I decided to disable that on my BBS02B, so my throttle is always active.
My throttle for the hub drive works in PAS 0 as well, so I'm used to it.

I use it to "walk" my ebike into the


So my ebike will go 32 kph in PAS 0 if ~50 watts will make that happen.

Honesty I see no reason to do that.
PAS 0 everything is OFF except walk mode.
All other PAS the throttle works and if I want throttle without pedaling.... I don't pedal

 

[PCeBiker]

Lesson 2: Get in the habit of holding one finger on the brake lever whenever you walk the bike which disables the motor.

I ALWAYS Do that.
I've got a throttle lock that I've left on more than a few times.

Fortunately, my ebike is smart enough to not launch itself if I start it and the throttle is on.
It shows a throttle error that is canceled simply by rolling the throttle off, then back on.

If the throttle is on just a little bit, it will start up and go, but with very little power, and having a finger on the brake is second nature to me now.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

Looks like being smarter than a twist throttle may be beyond the capabilities of some.

Lesson 1: Get in the habit of always tapping down to PAS 0 whenever you dismount the bike.
Lesson 2: Get in the habit of holding one finger on the brake lever whenever you walk the bike which disables the motor.
You only need to do one to be safe.. Do both, and you are officially smarter than the throttle.
These are very simple and easy to do and well worth it for the advantages of a twist throttle.

That doesn't help at all for the large numbers of people who rent an e-bike. And the fact that the interfaces to different e-bikes are often terribly different and inconsistent makes the problem worse.

Some ebikes do not have a "PAS 0" setting or equivalent. Some of them won't readily let you see what assist mode you currently are in.

And some cheap e-bikes (and some not-so-cheap e-bikes) don't have a brake lockout.

 

[Gionnirocket]

That doesn't help at all for the large numbers of people who rent an e-bike. And the fact that the interfaces to different e-bikes are often terribly different and inconsistent makes the problem worse.

Some ebikes do not have a "PAS 0" setting or equivalent. Some of them won't readily let you see what assist mode you currently are in.

And some cheap e-bikes (and some not-so-cheap e-bikes) don't have a brake lockout.

Well rentals should always be dumb'd down and imo... Always have break cutout.