I still like playing cat and mouseIt's similar to what the state did with trails on state land. Ms. Klunk is getting boxed in!
I have not been back to ride the trail since before the meeting. I gave some thought to a trip down yesterday but I don't really enjoy riding when I have to keep one eye opened for those park rangers. Makes me feel like Yogi stealing picnic baskets.
The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution establishes that state laws are subordinate to federal laws and regulations. Put simply, federal law governs state law; however, this is only the case when federal and state laws conflict with one another . Mere overlap on subject matter is not enough to strike down a state statute; it must be impossible to comply with both federal and state law before a federal law overrides a state law.With opportunities opening up in State and National Parks, York will be left out if they insist on a formal ban. I have to wonder if access is denied to some groups, that the state and feds allow, could this impact state and federal grants the county depends on?
Hah !! You and me both, brother ! I took a pic of his white Ranger with the dog dish rims sitting there by the entrance to the Days Mill parking lot about 2 months back. Luckily, he's too lazy to leave the SUV so I just kept riding on the trail. Its quite clear to me that this is his favorite haunt, and if you do not park there nor stop there, chances are quite good he isn't going to even see you ride by. I've been riding at a few other trails and have given a few friends rides, and they overwhelmingly love the thing. Even my hardcore single track friends have changed their minds on the usefulness of an ebike after a short spin on mine.I still like playing cat and mouse
Yes, I (we) know exactly who filed the complaint and the circumstances under why it was filed. And for the second part of your question- There is NO WRITTEN REGULATION!!! That's the whole issue. Go to York County PA .Gov find the parks section, print out the complete list of park rules and read it for yourself.Has anyone discovered who made the complaint that triggered such a non democratic ( without public discussion) regulation.
Kathik, please, get over your guilt! Freedom is NOT free, the tyranny of the park leadership is at hand. Help us demand that they abide by the current legal definations in the PA vehicle code regarding pedalcycles or produce whatever regulations are to the contrary. Thus far they have produced nothing other then oral "they've always been illegal" and threats of warnings and citations. QUESTION AUTHORITY ALWAYSI have not been back to ride the trail since before the meeting. I gave some thought to a trip down yesterday but I don't really enjoy riding when I have to keep one eye opened for those park rangers. Makes me feel like Yogi stealing picnic baskets.
Somewhat of an apoplectic reply.Yes, I (we) know exactly who filed the complaint and the circumstances under why it was filed. And for the second part of your question- There is NO WRITTEN REGULATION!!! That's the whole issue. Go to York County PA .Gov find the parks section, print out the complete list of park rules and read it for yourself.
There's no change in the parks department's position on ebike use in county parks. Recent talks have me a little discouraged. Given that the State now allows class 1 ebikes on trails wherever bikes are allowed, and the Feds have moved to allow ebikes in national parks I'd hoped that would have moved the county to act in favor of ebikes sooner, rather than later. It's painfully slow. I can't see a clear decision being made to save any of the 2019 riding season.
The Chairman of the Park's Advisory Board has asked if we would be willing to bring our class 1 ebikes for the members to see and test ride. This would take place somewhere on the rail trail, not at Nixon Park Nature Center where cycling of any sort is not allowed. Several of us did bring bikes to the meeting in July, but the meeting took place at Nixon Park and the Board were not prepared to test ride bikes.
Thanks for all the support! We'll update the forum as best we can.
We had three class 1 Haibikes, two class 1 BH and one class 1 Specialized. Good variety.Which bike did you bring? I’d bring something like my Tern Vektron — small footprint, sedate Bosch ActiveLine motor.
I still don't understand why the Park's Advisory Board wants to make such a big issue about Class 2 E-bikes. I think having a throttle actually makes an E-bikeI should add that anyone riding on county land should be very careful. At the moment Rangers are writing warning tickets, but that could change any day at their discretion. I don't know what the actual charge or fine would be.
If we were able to persuade the county to accept ebikes, it would likely follow the guidelines set by Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. They are:
Class 1 E-bikes are permitted on approved mountain bike trails and roads, provided they meet all the following standards:
Class 2 and 3 E-bikes are not permitted on approved mountain bike trails and roads in state forests.
- Electric motor less than 750 watts
- Fully functional pedals
- Weight not exceeding 75 lbs.
- Maximum speed less than 20 mph
- Does not have capacity to be completely self-propelled (must be pedaled to engage electric motor)
We haven't been told these would be the guidelines, but in all of our discussions I do know class 3 bikes, which are not legal in PA, will not be accepted and class 2 throttles are not looked on favorably.
I wasn't aware of last night's meeting, or I would have attended. Hopefully, the next meeting will be posted several days before the meeting.I still don't understand why the Park's Advisory Board wants to make such a big issue about Class 2 E-bikes. I think having a throttle actually makes an E-bike
safer to ride, especially when just starting out from a dead stop. JMHO