Which one would you choose?

[steve mercier]

The difference between suspended cargo and unsuspended cargo is substantial in terms of ride quality, stress on the bike and how your cargo survives the journey.

Yes that thru axle looks good.

 

[Alaskan]

Yes that thru axle looks good.

that through axle mount ties the rack to the wheels making the cargo unsuspended. Mounting to the seat post solves that problem, but will only work so long as the rack can be mounted above the top travel point of the tire when the rear shock is fully compressed. No component collisions tolerated.

 

[Johnny]

With a rack like Thule on, the FS bike still has way less unsuspended load compared to a hardtail. It will have a negative impact but I think it will be felt most in technical sections and I don't think Steve will be pushing the bike that way while carrying cargo.

 

[Johnny]

Yes Johnny I just tried and it will not fit around the seatpost anyway. The Thule only fits up to 2.5 inch tires and these are about 2.6 even though they call them 2.8"

Hmm too bad. Another problem with those seatpost racks is that it has one point of contact that is almost vertical to the force caused load hence they are rated for low loads like 20lbs max.

Maybe you can try these old man mountain offerings. They have racks that fit even fat tires and seem to be better built than thule.

 

[steve mercier]

Hmm too bad. Another problem with those seatpost racks is that it has one point of contact that is almost vertical to the forces caused load hence they are rated for low loads like 20lbs max.

Maybe you can try these old man mountain. They have racks that fit even fat tires and seem to be better built than thule.

Yes those are looking like a viable option. But there is no Moustache option on the Ebike list.

 

[Johnny]

Yes those are looking like a viable option. But there is no Moustache option on the Ebike list.

I think it boils down to hub spacing, tire width etc. You can send them an email they should be able to tell you which one fits your Moustache.

 

[Mike TowpathTraveler]

Mike that does look like the most solid solution for the rear. I wonder how bad the handling would be with front panniers with a powerpack on each side?

Steve, I'd suggest carrying the two batteries in the rear panniers. I picked up 4 Ortlieb E-mate panniers for the expressed purpose of extra battery carrying capacity. These bags are perfect for the Bosch Powerpack, Yamaha and Shimano external batteries. Unlike other Ortliebs, these E-mates have a sleeve in which the battery slides into. That sleeve is attached to a hard plastic inner pannier liner that sees the battery weight taken up by the QL3 mounts to the rack. It will not bounce around in this bag with that sleeve setup.

Here is the Haibike on a run I did last summer trying to crack 100 miles, running from my home on the western side of the state of New Jersey, east to Mantoloking, New Jersey and the Atlantic Ocean waterfront. Inside both panniers were a Yamaha 500wh external battery. 3 batteries, running a fat ebike on all asphalt using High Power all the way east, then all the way west, back home. Photo 1 is close to home, early morning,parked next to some colorful Day Lillies. Photo 2 is in Jackson, New Jersey, about halfway east, about 20-25 miles in the trip. Break time. It was a long day, but an enjoyable ride all the way around, even in summer heat.

Heavy as a tank, yes, but very doable. To put the batteries in front is just going to make the steering feel heavy and slow, requiring a good long time to get acclimated to that kind of feel.

 

[Mike TowpathTraveler]

Steve, I'll second what Johnny says. Contact OMM/Robert Axle Project with the size of your rear thru axle. Using the specs of your bike last evening, I checked on their fit chart and though they don't list Moustache, the Comenecal E-Mtb features that same rear axle spec as yours and it's listed as being in stock there.

But give them an email just to confirm!

 

[steve mercier]

Steve, I'll second what Johnny says. Contact OMM/Robert Axle Project with the size of your rear thru axle. Using the specs of your bike last evening, I checked on their fit chart and though they don't list Moustache, the Comenecal E-Mtb features that same rear axle spec as yours and it's listed as being in stock there.

But give them an email just to confirm!

Sound advice thanks Mike!

 

[steve mercier]

With a rack like Thule on, the FS bike still has way less unsuspended load compared to a hardtail. It will have a negative impact but I think it will be felt most in technical sections and I don't think Steve will be pushing the bike that way while carrying cargo.

Not unless the spirit clouds my judgement me on some rare summer morning ! But first I will see if I can get 100 km ( pavement ) on 2 batteries in Turbo before the Bikespeed arrives and before the bike gets heavier. Right now it is a svelt 50 lbs plus the water bottle. I will toss the spare in the Vaude /klickfix handlebar bag I have on hand. It is rated for 7kg

 

[steve mercier]

Steve, I'd suggest carrying the two batteries in the rear panniers. I picked up 4 Ortlieb E-mate panniers for the expressed purpose of extra battery carrying capacity. These bags are perfect for the Bosch Powerpack, Yamaha and Shimano external batteries. Unlike other Ortliebs, these E-mates have a sleeve in which the battery slides into. That sleeve is attached to a hard plastic inner pannier liner that sees the battery weight taken up by the QL3 mounts to the rack. It will not bounce around in this bag with that sleeve setup.

Here is the Haibike on a run I did last summer trying to crack 100 miles, running from my home on the western side of the state of New Jersey, east to Mantoloking, New Jersey and the Atlantic Ocean waterfront. Inside both panniers were a Yamaha 500wh external battery. 3 batteries, running a fat ebike on all asphalt using High Power all the way east, then all the way west, back home. Photo 1 is close to home, early morning,parked next to some colorful Day Lillies. Photo 2 is in Jackson, New Jersey, about halfway east, about 20-25 miles in the trip. Break time. It was a long day, but an enjoyable ride all the way around, even in summer heat.

Heavy as a tank, yes, but very doable. To put the batteries in front is just going to make the steering feel heavy and slow, requiring a good long time to get acclimated to that kind of feel.

I like the way you roll Mike (-: Those E-mates look great but I have been waiting for over a month for my last order from Rose bikes and it seems to be stuck in pandemic limbo right now. Has anyone tried getting anything from Europe lately such as from Chain Reaction or Rose bikes?

 

[Johnny]

Steve, I'd suggest carrying the two batteries in the rear panniers. I picked up 4 Ortlieb E-mate panniers for the expressed purpose of extra battery carrying capacity. These bags are perfect for the Bosch Powerpack, Yamaha and Shimano external batteries. Unlike other Ortliebs, these E-mates have a sleeve in which the battery slides into. That sleeve is attached to a hard plastic inner pannier liner that sees the battery weight taken up by the QL3 mounts to the rack. It will not bounce around in this bag with that sleeve setup.

Here is the Haibike on a run I did last summer trying to crack 100 miles, running from my home on the western side of the state of New Jersey, east to Mantoloking, New Jersey and the Atlantic Ocean waterfront. Inside both panniers were a Yamaha 500wh external battery. 3 batteries, running a fat ebike on all asphalt using High Power all the way east, then all the way west, back home. Photo 1 is close to home, early morning,parked next to some colorful Day Lillies. Photo 2 is in Jackson, New Jersey, about halfway east, about 20-25 miles in the trip. Break time. It was a long day, but an enjoyable ride all the way around, even in summer heat.

Heavy as a tank, yes, but very doable. To put the batteries in front is just going to make the steering feel heavy and slow, requiring a good long time to get acclimated to that kind of feel.

I really like your setup. Full suspension fat tire + very nicely done racks/panniers. Feels like the perfect recreational/touring setup.

 

[Mike TowpathTraveler]

I really like your setup. Full suspension fat tire + very nicely done racks/panniers. Feels like the perfect recreational/touring setup.

Thanks, Johnny, I appreciate that. Yep, she's a fun bike, a joy to ride. Had a vision of creating a go-anywhere fat tired ebike, including a Schmidt SON dyno hub and lighting system that would allow night riding if necessary. The real key are the fat tires. They allow me to travel the deep sugar sand NJ Pine Barrens roads whereas a more traditional mountain bike tire is going to have problems trying to navigate in that stuff. There is just something about the fat tires and that stability when setting out on every ride.

I'm thinking that Steve has picked a real winner, too. Beautiful bike, that Moustache.

 

[E-Wheels]

Hold the presses. The Race 4 it is!View attachment 50506

When do you expect to have it delivered, or have you already received it

 

[steve mercier]

When do you expect to have it delivered, or have you already received it

Oh yes I picked it up yesterday and rode it home.

 

[DaveMatthews]

Oh yes I picked it up yesterday and rode it home.

Does it need some dialing in suspension wise?

 

[steve mercier]

Does it need some dialing in suspension wise?

The front is perfect right away. I might reduce the rear pressure slightly after consulting with my son. It handled like a knife through warm butter on the trail yesterday!

 

[Alaskan]

Congratulations on your new ride. Please do a personal review with photos sometime. Moustache makes some intriguing bikes.

 

[steve mercier]

Congratulations on your new ride. Please do a personal review with photos sometime. Moustache makes some intriguing bikes.

Thanks I will be glad to.

 

[bob armani]

I like that Race 4 but if I cannot get a rack on it I would need to carry spare batteries in a backpack which would stink in summer (-: But WAIT ...I might be able to squeeze a powerpack in a bag under the top tube. Race 4 is back in the race!

I agree with D. Matthews in this thread. This bike is awesome on so many levels. I have to say, I would purchase just for looks and design alone. To boot, you are getting GEN2 with a delimiter is a done deal IMO. I think I would put this in my living room under lights all season long, however, my wife would not be a fan next to furniture. Good pick!