The Tariff Questions?

[kevinmccune]

the “uneducated” native born are not willing to work at the rates that the jobs they’re qualified for pay. there are huge labor shortages across service industry and other sectors. we *do* need people to do those jobs, at least for the next 10 years or so. at some point it’ll all be automated away and we’ll have to embrace some form of UBI, population decline, or something.

agree,mostly.

Minimum wage is basically forcing someone to pay more than the value an employee. I suppose most like the idea of replacing people with automation.

Evidently minimum wage is $7.25. I have never seen anyone paid that little for even menial jobs since my kids and grandkids have been working.

they would pay less then that around here if they could get by with it.

 

[kevinmccune]

Hopefully you won't see rioting and looting if the orange one gets one tenth of his wish list.

Then you aren't paying attention. Even Forbes came out with an article a few years back saying the wealthiest needed to chip in more, this was during the eat the rich days. They were warning about pitchforks and such if the wealthiest continued to exploit the lower classes. Even $15 an hour is not enough to support a single person, let alone a single mom or divorced or widowed dad. Nor adjusted for inflation is it near the over $20 an hour people were paid in the 60's at like a$1.50 an hour. Roamers, I don't expect to change your mind, but some reading you might want to check out: Howard Zinn: A people's history of America. They also made into a movie if reading isn't your thing. No man is an island unto himself and no one is self made. Everyone who succeeds does so with help. The richest amongst got there by being in the right place at the right time and exploiting others. Nor can you maintain wealth without exploiting others. I'm a capitalist just like you. The difference, I understand we are all in the same boat, drinking the same recycled water, breathing the same polluted air. It takes only one freak incident to turn a person's world upside down and none of us are immune from accident and catastrophe. I don't care how I'm remembered, I just care that we take care of each other instead of attacking each other. It's better for business and better for the soul than worshiping the profit motive and exploiting others.

And with that, I am officially tapping out of this thread, bought my Chinese and French bike components before the orange one can double their price. This nonsense is only going to cause great harm. I think you will live to regret that "I won't complain about rising prices" remark. It's all good until you realize the banks are as over leveraged now as they were prior to the 2008 collapse and some how the banks were stupid enough to start buying crypto which is just a ponzi scheme. If bit coin were worth anything the saudis or Americans would have done a major by out by now. No government is because everyone except the rubes know it's worthless. So if you are very well off as an American, you may care about the prices rising in tandem with another financial collapse. No one acted on the Dod Frank Act except to regulate swaps, which shouldn't be legal in the first place.

Peace out the tariff question thread-

watch the TED talk by a plutocrat( warning to the plutocrats),he predicts another French revolution.(hiding in a hole ain't gonna be good enough sucker.) these mini fortress aint nothing but a trap.

 

[Roamers]

they would pay less then that around here if they could get by with it.

Are you talking ag workers? California illegals?

 

[Roamers]

he predicts another French revolution.

Are things bad in France again?

 

[Mr. Coffee]

 

[mschwett]

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they would pay less then that around here if they could get by with it.

its $18.07/hr here - and still a significant shortage of service industry workers.

 

[kevinmccune]

its $18.07/hr here - and still a significant shortage of service industry workers.

ours is around 13$ dont think the restruants and fast food muthas pay that much,they were not shy about raising menu prices and suggested gratuities.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

We live in a messed up world. I can't blame service workers for not wanting those jobs, given how horribly some customers treat them. I sure as heck wouldn't do those jobs for the money they are paying.

For that matter, there are lots of high skill and formerly high status jobs where folks are quitting in droves, largely because they are treated so poorly. You just can't treat teachers or nurses like garbage and expect them to want to do their jobs.

As I write this, I recently discovered that someone from Texas has been calling local schools and making threats. These threats mostly have to do with trans people. Two things: Texas is over 1500 miles away from where I live and as far as anybody knows, there are no trans kids in local schools. So the school districts are left with awful choices: do nothing and end up holding the bag when/if something horrible happens, or lock the schools down and look like you are overreacting. I'm glad I don't have their jobs.

 

[mschwett]

We live in a messed up world. I can't blame service workers for not wanting those jobs, given how horribly some customers treat them. I sure as heck wouldn't do those jobs for the money they are paying.

For that matter, there are lots of high skill and formerly high status jobs where folks are quitting in droves, largely because they are treated so poorly. You just can't treat teachers or nurses like garbage and expect them to want to do their jobs.

As I write this, I recently discovered that someone from Texas has been calling local schools and making threats. These threats mostly have to do with trans people. Two things: Texas is over 1500 miles away from where I live and as far as anybody knows, there are no trans kids in local schools. So the school districts are left with awful choices: do nothing and end up holding the bag when/if something horrible happens, or lock the schools down and look like you are overreacting. I'm glad I don't have their jobs.

hopefully the superintendent calls both DHS and FBI, and hopefully those morons make at least one more call while those agencies are still able to do something.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

hopefully the superintendent calls both DHS and FBI, and hopefully those morons make at least one more call while those agencies are still able to do something.

There have been repeated calls and my understanding is that the calls don't rise to the level of something that is illegal. These calls are being made from a business in Round Rock, Texas.

 

[mschwett]

There have been repeated calls and my understanding is that the calls don't rise to the level of something that is illegal. These calls are being made from a business in Round Rock, Texas.

that’s crazy - threatening students, or a school, across state lines no less isn’t illegal?

 

[Mr. Coffee]

that’s crazy - threatening students, or a school, across state lines no less isn’t illegal?

Apparently it is only actionable if it names specific persons.

My own feeling is that such obnoxious innocence needs an appropriate retaliation. Also obnoxious.

 

[Roamers]

As I write this, I recently discovered that someone from Texas has been calling local schools and making threats.

These calls are being made from a business in Round Rock, Texas.

Apparently it is only actionable if it names specific persons.

Been following, but couldn't figure it out; think I got it now.

Someone from Texas is calling a Washington school and making some unknown threat regarding trans people.

"They" know where the call is coming from, but can't do anything about it because there is no specific person being threatened.

Is this correct? If yes, something doesn’t smell right.

 

[kevinmccune]

Are things bad in France again? (it was an allegory.)

 

[BlackHand]

If yes, something doesn’t smell right.

The person making the calls doesn't smell right.

Imagine someone who is so obsessed with what may or may not be under teenagers clothes and is so sure of their assumptions that they are moved to call a school 1500 miles away and unironically accuse the people there who are simply living up to their legal, professional, and (in my opinion) moral obligations to students of being pedophiles.

As a parent of teenagers that is the kind of person I want to be nowhere near my kids, regardless of my beliefs or my kids' identities.

 

[Roamers]

The person making the calls doesn't smell right

Or the story is a story. Big bad red staters picking on blue state tranny.

Added:

Teen who made threats against hundreds of schools, including in Washington, pleads guilty to federal charges - The Daily Chronicle

A California 18-year-old has pleaded to federal charges stemming from more than 375 false reports that threatened mass shootings at high schools — including several in Washington state, causing …

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