THE KLEVER X SPEED PINION

[Ebiker33]

This is a unique bike, from it's Pinion mid transmission to it's regenerative braking and costing motor, it has some interesting different tech and it doesn't come cheap, $7200 euros.
Rated at 45 kmh this thing moves too.

X SPEED PINION

 

[Explorer-1]

Very elegant frame design.

 

[jono1331]

well designed, should prove to be a very efficient and durable setup for flatlanders

 

[Ken M]

Beautiful ebike but given the EU power limits applied to a DD hub motor it may do 45kph but the rider is going to be working hard. I'm sorry but the EU power and assist limits are just a joke and they are driven primarily for the benefit of Brose and Bosch to sell mid drives. Who would pay $8,000US to have a bike that really can't sustain 15mph even up a 6% grade without a lot of rider work?

Regardless, I'm a huge fan of Klever platform - I like that they buck the trend of trying to hide the battery, controller, and motor to look like a traditional bike. In the long run this is how ebikes will be designed because it can show case the components like they do on motorcycles. Why hide what can be designed to be cool (for example check out Luna's clear battery). I think bike manufacturers are integrating batteries to make the spandexters feel better about the transition to ebikes.

 

[TomD]

Isn't it a 600W rear hub in the speed version? I'd think it could handle a 6% grade.

 

[Ebiker33]

Beautiful ebike but given the EU power limits applied to a DD hub motor it may do 45kph but the rider is going to be working hard. I'm sorry but the EU power and assist limits are just a joke and they are driven primarily for the benefit of Brose and Bosch to sell mid drives. Who would pay $8,000US to have a bike that really can't sustain 15mph even up a 6% grade without a lot of rider work?

Regardless, I'm a huge fan of Klever platform - I like that they buck the trend of trying to hide the battery, controller, and motor to look like a traditional bike. In the long run this is how ebikes will be designed because it can show case the components like they do on motorcycles. Why hide what can be designed to be cool (for example check out Luna's clear battery). I think bike manufacturers are integrating batteries to make the spandexters feel better about the transition to ebikes.

Or make them better looking and more stealthily, some bikes look like an Ebike others blend in, if you are in a area of the country where you have police enforcing and checking it out it could be an issue.

 

[Ken M]

Or make them better looking and more stealthily, some bikes look like an Ebike others blend in, if you are in a area of the country where you have police enforcing and checking it out it could be an issue.

So you assume that integrating / hiding the battery and drive system will fool the police that it's not an ebike. Loosen your spandex because I would assume that any police officer is smart enough to determine if someone is riding an ebike or a traditional bike. There is no need to conceal that you are riding an ebike because there is a federal regulation that defines compliant ebikes as the equivalent to regular bike. In reality states can regulate the use of both but they can't really play these games and supercede the federal regulation (they can but in reality it will not stand in court).

Very few ebike riders have probably actually read the official federal ebike definition / regulation. Most of what you read on the internet including EBR is opinions of what it states. I suggest everyone read the actual regulation before forming an opinion on the legality of ebikes throughout the US.

 

[Ken M]

Isn't it a 600W rear hub in the speed version? I'd think it could handle a 6% grade.

If it's a 600W nominally rated hub motor it's no longer an ebike in the EU and would probably need insurance and registration as a moped or motorcycle which in my opinion really negates some of the advantages of using an ebike as a form of transportation. I understand that a lot of motor manufacturers are stating nominal power and peak power but it's very difficult to find how the EU treats this practice (what is compliant and not I have not found).

Regardless a 600W DD hub is not all that powerful and may have at best 60nm of stall torque. You can run simulations on Grin's website to assess just how good real world performance of that motor would be. My guess is ... sure it will help you up a 6 degree incline but you'll be maybe going 20kph while putting in 200W yourself.

 

[opimax]

It isn’t just officials i don’t want to interact with anyone when I ride...although it is officials mainly..if I get by with just one less comment, one les interaction or a question from any official person it is worth it.i have had an ebike since 2012, there was one interaction in FL wherever the official asked about the battery key lock on my bike Asked if it was a steering fork lock and I answered “yes” of course.

i has a Stromer which looked like a bike more than e bike thennexcept for the motor which I cover up the motor the best I can

i also prefer the look but it is to ride anywhere I want regardless of laws on a class 3..not to ride 28 all the time but just be there as a regular bike would be

 

[opimax]

Have you ridden a bike lie the ones you are crapping on? Does not sound like it. look up Stromer ST5 for power specs . Most factory bikes can’t keep up till. The are both doing 28.

 

[Ken M]

Have you ridden a bike lie the ones you are crapping on? Does not sound like it. look up Stromer ST5 for power specs . Most factory bikes can’t keep up till. The are both doing 28.

I own 2 PIM ebikes with 750W (900W peak) DD hub motors and I've ridden the Stromer ST5 (I was actually at the US unveiling and was the first person out to door to demo ride one because the weather was bad). I love hub motor because I do believe they are better than mid drives if you like to commute at speeds over 25kph. Mid drives are great for mountain ebikes because they do utilize the lower gears to improve torque to the rear wheel and are more efficient at the slower speeds because of the internal gearing in the motors allowing the rotor to be running a bit faster.

I just personally feel after all the riding I've done on direct drive hub motors that anything less than 750W nominal is just not enough for effective speed commuting expecially if you want to casually sustain 45kph as the Stromer assists to (I just think a lot of rider input is required to sustain that speed as that has been my experience. I've ridden a geared hub motor GMAC / Phaserunning ebike and it allowed an easy 45kph cruize speed but it was probably sustaining over 1200W.

 

[opimax]

There is an adjustment for the torque sensor so you can control amount of effort. It will hold 28 better than most hub drives . I have heard the Bosch unit takes much effort to pedal fast.

 

[Ebiker33]

So you assume that integrating / hiding the battery and drive system will fool the police that it's not an ebike. Loosen your spandex because I would assume that any police officer is smart enough to determine if someone is riding an ebike or a traditional bike. There is no need to conceal that you are riding an ebike because there is a federal regulation that defines compliant ebikes as the equivalent to regular bike. In reality states can regulate the use of both but they can't really play these games and supercede the federal regulation (they can but in reality it will not stand in court).

Very few ebike riders have probably actually read the official federal ebike definition / regulation. Most of what you read on the internet including EBR is opinions of what it states. I suggest everyone read the actual regulation before forming an opinion on the legality of ebikes throughout the US.

If you are riding way faster than any other bikes out there, and look like you are hardly pedaling and it looks like your bike is some type of fatbike with 4.5" tires he might want to see if you are in compliance with local laws, but if you are just cruising along at a nice speed pedaling away with a hidden battery and normal tires....why bother he has better things to do, I would hope. Where I live some e-fatbikes got tagged on a popular multi-use trail because they were going too fast for the cops liking, they inspect them and tickets were issued. Logically the most important thing is if a bike cop pulls me over I better be able to show him my speed is restricted on my display in accordance with the law of the area. It's irrelevant if it can be changed later as pretty much every single one can be once you attain the password for the system.
But passing a cop car in school zone is going to get you noticed no matter what....bike smart.

 

[JRA]

Doesn't have any info I could find on the PAS? I would assume cadence sensing.