I bought a Grizl:ON CF 9, AMA

[Catalyzt]

I shouldn't be reading this thread.

* From a very cursory review, it seems like swapping to a flat bar is not something people do, though folks do swap to other drop bars, drop bars with a rise, etc. Is there a reason for that? Apologies if this is a stupid question. I can ride drop bars still, but not for long-- too much osteoarthritis damage to my hands. I need full leverage with the brakes as well.

* I worry about it having too much e-junk, being too proprietery.

The thing is, if I could resolve the bar issue, I could probably use this for 90%+ of my riding. The only thing it might not be able to do is Brand Park Motorway, and intermediate trail (probably ok) with some advanced segments (probably NOT.) No drops, rock gardens are generally small. Oooh, except for that one section near the top...

But the price of the 7 on sale is kinda tempting...

 

[stompandgo]

I shouldn't be reading this thread.

* From a very cursory review, it seems like swapping to a flat bar is not something people do, though folks do swap to other drop bars, drop bars with a rise, etc. Is there a reason for that? Apologies if this is a stupid question. I can ride drop bars still, but not for long-- too much osteoarthritis damage to my hands. I need full leverage with the brakes as well.

I have neck issues, which is why I can't ride a drop bar bike anymore. Right now, I am using riser bars instead of flat bars. Either way, your fit will be very different than with drop bars.

You can swap from drop bars, but plan on bars, stem, shifters, and grips at a minimum. If there are any switches or buttons on the bars themselves, they may also have to be changed.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

The thing is, if I could resolve the bar issue

Perhaps have a look at Santa Cruz Skitch?

 

[Catalyzt]

Perhaps have a look at Santa Cruz Skitch?

I'd love to, but it's about $3,000 more.

For $4,500, the Griz ON7 is a lot of bike.

Yeesh. But it isn't like the Motobecane, which is a pretty standard implementation of pretty standard parts. I'd worry about getting it serviced, and there are some user reports of some of them having problems right out of the box.

But man... 35 pounds, 55nm of torque, some limited front suspension and that suspension seat post? Very, very interesting.

 

[gromike]

I have neck issues, which is why I can't ride a drop bar bike anymore. Right now, I am using riser bars instead of flat bars. Either way, your fit will be very different than with drop bars.

You can swap from drop bars, but plan on bars, stem, shifters, and grips at a minimum. If there are any switches or buttons on the bars themselves, they may also have to be changed.

Yeah, three cervical vertebrae fused here, but there are solutions:

 

[stompandgo]

The Skitch is a great looking bike, and is very popular here. If I had an unlimited budget, I would have gone for the Cannondale Tesoro Carbon 1. The range would have been very close to the edge, though, on long rides, even with a Power More extender. I would have had to add a Bosch head unit, as their wireless communication is not open. So when you add it all up, it would have been twice what I paid for my X Speed, even after all my mods, to save 20 pounds. I would have done it if I had the coin.

I believe that the development in this space is lagging compared to the general e-bike market. In a few years, the entry point will be a a few $K lower.

 

[Base]

Indeed nice bike.

those fenders work great, also with panniers.

Price is high

 

[Rás Cnoic]

I shouldn't be reading this thread.

* From a very cursory review, it seems like swapping to a flat bar is not something people do, though folks do swap to other drop bars, drop bars with a rise, etc. Is there a reason for that? Apologies if this is a stupid question. I can ride drop bars still, but not for long-- too much osteoarthritis damage to my hands. I need full leverage with the brakes as well.

* I worry about it having too much e-junk, being too proprietery.

The thing is, if I could resolve the bar issue, I could probably use this for 90%+ of my riding. The only thing it might not be able to do is Brand Park Motorway, and intermediate trail (probably ok) with some advanced segments (probably NOT.) No drops, rock gardens are generally small. Oooh, except for that one section near the top...

But the price of the 7 on sale is kinda tempting...

Sram and Shimano don't make it easy by technically not being able to mix and match road levers with MTB / flat bar calipers. Because mtb/flat bike sales dwarf drop bar bike sales it's much cheaper to go from drops to flats. Going the other way, as I've often pondered on my flat bar Vado SL, is horribly expensive. Things are improving with Microshift being cheaper option and new Chinese companies like L-Twoo having the same pull ratio etc on MTB and Drops so you can easily mix and match levers/brifters & calipers.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

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Indeed nice bike.

those fenders work great, also with panniers.

Price is high

That is sweet looking. On sale in UK for £4100 (down from £4,999 looking on google) so not too bad I guess- never noticed this model before. Grizl model with mudguards & rack is £4679 on Canyon & discounted- I'm constantly inundated with adverts for that one on instagram! Vado SL Carbon is around £5,500? - so all three are in similar playing field with exception of Grizl having drops, with carbon frames, mudguards/rack, low weight and 50/55nm motor. Competitive area nowadays it seems. But I didn't know Cannondale did a carbon frame with SX motor as good looking as this and at around 16kg.

 

[Base]

the office in Woudenberg was 20 minutes riding ;D current roughly the same just into another direction. Also before moving to Harderwijk the office was even closer in Amersfoort

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Going the other way, as I've often pondered on my flat bar Vado SL, is horribly expensive.

Going the other way, you would need to find a way how to install a 22.2 mm flat handlebar remote on a 25 mm drop handlebar
Anyway, replacing the whole drivetrain, handlebars shifter, and brake levers to make a flat handlebar gravel bike would be a nightmare on a modern CF drop-bar gravel bike. I might even ask what to do with the road remote buttons.

"Render to gravel bike the things that are road bike's, and to flat handlebar bike the things that are MTB"

 

[stompandgo]

That is sweet looking. On sale in UK for £4100 (down from £4,999 looking on google) s

I saw that on Bike24. Not shippable to the US. I saw one Carbon 2 (mechanical drivetrain .vs. electronic) on sale for $3500, but it was a Small.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Going the other way, you would need to find a way how to install a 22.2 mm flat handlebar remote on a 25 mm drop handlebar

Oh that's easy. Here's a mechanic/youtuber who does the drop bar conversion - you can easily buy accessories mounts on amazon that are 22.2 and attach either on stem or bars for a fiver. See him do this at 12:20 mins in. Interestingly he simply changes the hydro brakes for mechanical disks he has already to hand to save costs. He's somebody who is always tinkering with bikes and has a shed full of spare parts.

And here's his test ride. All seems to go well (this was a couple of years ago) on his work commute.

See him use the power remote buttons on his test ride at 5:19

Iit might be a project I'll give a go to when I have free time & when I can get a cheapish drop bar groupset. With the steep descents here I'd definitely want to stick to hydro brakes. So for now I'm looking up 105 or GRX on eBay & doing more research into LTWOO.

 

[IOUZIP]

PowerMore 250 installed and the firmware updated in the Flow app. No errors. Installed in the bottle cage mount and charged up both batteries.
Big difference in estimated range. Two weeks ago my first ride was 32 miles and with playing around with the assist levels came back with 2% battery. Next ride I expect to have better range and will report back.

Internal 400w battery fully charged

Internal 400w and PowerMore 250w range extender together

 

[Catalyzt]

Yeah, the Grizl:ON CF 7 went down to $4,000 US... and my willpower went out the window.

It's shipped, and I can pick it up at REI in Burbank-- great to have local dealer support, particularly for a purchase this large.

I will need two mods, that's a virtual certainty: The remote, which will probably be the Purion 200-- it's just too weird not to have a speedometer and odometer, though the remote which JUST has the power level control is a hundred bucks cheaper. Tempted to just use my aftermarket cheap $20 Chinese speedometer/odometer, which worked totally fine, but I don't want to strap anything to the fork...

But wait a minute, duh... the fork isn't CF! What am I thinking?! I'll try the cheap speedometer, it may even work with the built-in magnet on the tire stems... No, that's crazy, I can't put the receiver that low. But the wheels aren't CF, either, so I can just use the regular magnet.

--> Is there anything else I might really need with the Purion 200 as compared to the BRC3300?

The bars, and installation, are going to be a much bigger expense that will have to be put off much longer, which is a serious inconvenience. I given my arthritis issues in my hand, I should probably go CF when it's time to do this. Probably won't do a riser-- I have one, and it would be nice, but I think it I'd have more control with CF bars that have 30+mm of rise. Width is another key decision. I should probably ride the bike with drops under a lot of different conditions, and see what it fee;ls like it's missing...

I'm looking forward to this so much it's hard to concentrate...

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Congratulations on your purchase, @Catalyzt!
I wonder how an owner of a Grizl:On can determine the battery level?
What does the display on the top tube show?

 

[IOUZIP]

The included top tube is LED and bars so no way to know exact battery % without the Flow phone app running. Unless you have the Kiox which allows you to customize the screens Battery, Speed, Cadence, Distance, Range, etc. With connected services you can show heart rate too.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Thank you!

 

[stompandgo]

You can retrofit a Kiox 300 or 500, but you knew that. Have fun!

 

[Stefan Mikes]

How do you control the motor? Is there any remote or road handlebar buttons?