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That right there is the problem - the people really don't care. If they did, they would elect representatives who would actually do something about climate change. The solution is difficult, and hardly anyone is interested in doing anything difficult any more, unless there's something immediate in it for them. I know in my heart my efforts are not changing a thing - but, I try anyway, so I can look myself in the face and know at least I did that.
There will be more economic consequences that will be hard to disregard. Insurers will need to face the music or go under. Investors will place their bets on places and companies that make sense in the long-term. The climate instability has created a freeze storm today in the US along the Southern Atlantic coast. Insured and financed crops will be lost and there will be fatal results from hypothermia to car crashes and power grid failures.
 
There will be more economic consequences that will be hard to disregard. Insurers will need to face the music or go under. Investors will place their bets on places and companies that make sense in the long-term. The climate instability has created a freeze storm today in the US along the Southern Atlantic coast. Insured and financed crops will be lost and there will be fatal results from hypothermia to car crashes and power grid failures.
Did Nostradamus join the EBR?
 
Hey speaking of climate change - why isn’t there any legislation to fund initiatives? I thought Biden was a science believer…
 
That right there is the problem - the people really don't care. If they did, they would elect representatives who would actually do something about climate change. The solution is difficult, and hardly anyone is interested in doing anything difficult any more, unless there's something immediate in it for them. I know in my heart my efforts are not changing a thing - but, I try anyway, so I can look myself in the face and know at least I did that.
Down deep in my heart I think the only thing that will get folks committed is when things become so
terrible that nothing will help anyway. Glad I´m old & probly won´t be around to see it. For now
the only solution I see is a pandenic or war with such high mortality that 2/3 of humanity is wiped
out. That would spare the planet a great deal of stress. In all likelihood that will happen anyway. It´s
really too bad, because the chance to make earth paradise may yet exist. What a foolish bunch of
monkeys we are.
 
Nah, all these examples are very different and involve very different levels of personal responsibility. For example: Some folks really cannot lose weight due to metabolic problems-- a few of my friends (one of them a former roommate who I worked with at home, so I was with the guy 24/7 for weeks at a time), I watch what they eat, I see how they exercise, they still can't lose weight. It's absolutely outside their control.

We have two dogs, one 16-pounds, the other 14 pounds. The 14 pound dog eats at least 20% more and never gains weight. The 16 pound dog eats almost nothing, and it's hell keeping him at a good weight.

I disagree with many of your opinions, VM, but as you probably know, agree with many others-- and we might agree about this: I would support a vaccine mandate only for people who refuse to wear high-quality, properly fitted N95/P100 masks or reusable respirators in indoor spaces or crowded outdoor ones.

I'm actually on the fence about the mandates as they are currently conceived-- I don't have a clear opinion at this point. With an N95 mask exemption, though, I'd support them wholeheartedly.

Let's consider what's actually safer: Two unvaccinated people wearing high-grade masks properly vs. two vaccinated people not wearing masks, assuming people are indoors, about 6-10 feet of distance, and reasonable ventilation.

My opinion is not a popular one: I think the unvaccinated people wearing masks are safer. At the start of the pandemic, some unvaccinated doctors with good PPE had contact with COVID patients all day long without getting infected.

I don't think it's a big deal to wear masks in public... but of course, that's what I would think because that's the reality I thought I would be facing, and what I was mentally preparing myself for. On paper, at least, I'm high risk for both the virus and the vaccine due to an autoimmune disorder. And I expected to see more adverse events from the vaccine in folks with Lupus and RA-- and a lot of rheumatologists expected to see more AEs in this population as well, so I had every expectation I would be abstaining from the fax and branded as a 'vaccine-hesitant.' I was pleasantly surprised by the results of the studies I read, and I've had no AE's from the vax myself. (Just got boosted today. A little sleepy, that's about it so far.)

If we'd all worn high-quality masks, and if we were as careful with masks as skydivers are with parachutes, scuba divers are with regulators? I'm not sure there would have been a pandemic. I think we could have stopped it. It's a shame that we need the vaccine at all-- and the fact that we do is probably more avoidable than some folks being overweight.

I've never understood why wearing a mask is quite such a big deal for some people-- that it symbolizes social control or something. It has a practical purpose!

You mentioned the Real ID, I think, in another post or someone else did. THAT is something I'll never submit to; it's completely Orwellian, and the worst kind of security measure, because it gives an illusory sense of security: I have no doubt the "Real ID" will eventually be as easy to forge as a driver's license. I'll just bring my passport to the airport. I also won't put up with substituting an app for my medical ID card and a lot of other crap.

But not wearing a mask because it somehow infringes on personal freedom? That just seems batsh!t crazy to me. Come on, people wear masks and respirators at the target range while exercising their second amendment rights! And I admit, that surprised me the first time I went to an indoor target range. "Wow, these guys are hard-core, this is totally Mad Max."

Lead particles in the air are no joke! <-- HA! See? Back to air pollution! It took me a while, but I got back to a Green Room topic! 🤪
people will always balk when forced to do anything, it´s the nature of the beast.
 
I just got branded. That was fun. There is a video of it someplace. I joined a local group to take positive steps on a local level to make things better. They were stamping thigs such as t-shirts that people brought with them. I just had them stamp my back. This is the organization. It has more members here than the sister org in LA and LA has more people than entire nations. We are just a little town but leadership has to happen somewhere first.
 
Hey speaking of climate change - why isn’t there any legislation to fund initiatives? I thought Biden was a science believer…
Ok, I've tried to ride this out and be open minded, but it's pretty obvious that every issue with you comes down to being anti-Biden. So, though I don't think you are a troll, I've got better ways to spend my time than continuing to read your bashing. Clicking ignore...
 
I just got branded. That was fun. There is a video of it someplace. I joined a local group to take positive steps on a local level to make things better. They were stamping thigs such as t-shirts that people brought with them. I just had them stamp my back. This is the organization. It has more members here than the sister org in LA and LA has more people than entire nations. We are just a little town but leadership has to happen somewhere first.
So "Nooooooooo" to putting in a field hospital.
 
people will always balk when forced to do anything, it´s the nature of the beast.
Absolutely! Been guilty of this myself. I'm sure I smoked cigarettes for five years longer than I should have because my doctor nagged me about it incessantly. To clarify: It's not her fault that I continued smoking for those extra five years, that's just my natural reaction to being asked to do something sensible to protect my own health when it is something I don't want to do.

In AA, we joke about this a lot. If your spouse is getting on your nerves, you might say, "I really, really want drink at him/her," which means "I am still seduced by the irrational thought that I can punish someone else by hurting myself." This is something everyone in the program can usually identify with!

With young people and alcohol, sometimes I've had good luck with paradoxical interventions, which means something like: "Hey, you're a bad ass, you were referred to me because you break windows and fight with campus safety. You despise social convention and the accepted roles and rules on campus, and I get that-- I felt the same way in 1978, and so did my friends. What would happen if, on your 21st birthday, you just flipped the bird at everyone... and stopped drinking completely? Like, 'Now I can do it legally, so f*ck everyone, I'm not going to do it anymore.'"

Last time I tried this, the client smiled and said, "Ah, nice try. I see what you're doing." Then a pause. "But it is a cool idea." He/she is actually experimenting with sobriety right now... we'll see what happens.

Paradoxical interventions are notoriously tricky, and have to be deployed carefully. In this case, it worked briefly, but client discovered he/she likes waking up without a hangover sometimes, so it's been more working longer than I expected it to. I wish there was a paradoxical intervention that worked for human behavior and climate change.
 
Hey speaking of climate change - why isn’t there any legislation to fund initiatives? I thought Biden was a science believer…
In the spirit of your question, here is a resource that might help you figure that out:

 
In the spirit of your question, here is a resource that might help you figure that out:

Thanks! But doesn’t one party control all of those three branches now? Seems like if you had a majority in two and concurrence in the other you could make laws and budgets and stuff, ratify treaties etc ?
 
Paradoxical interventions are notoriously tricky, and have to be deployed carefully. In this case, it worked briefly, but client discovered he/she likes waking up without a hangover sometimes, so it's been more working longer than I expected it to. I wish there was a paradoxical intervention that worked for human behavior and climate change.
There is! Admit that lying to the public by the big names has been ongoing, name the liars and enablers, and demand it all needs to be cleaned up right now....all after showing the dirt. Not just saying...showing.
As of yet, all you do when faced with undeniable evidence of court records,for example, is cancel and deny and smear those who show the evidence. Individual
deceptions can be shown to you in detail, and all you can do is cancel the person showing the evidence to you.

So until you can look at the hard evidence of a climate scientist attempting to deceive the court multiple times about his deception in his research, and you admit that evidence into your brain and either accept or argue against it, you are stuck in a cage that was made for you. All the same behavior.


You have the cancel culture woven into your group responses, so contradictory information is not acceptable and you need to block yourself from seeing it. Then you prance as if the blocked person is the one who is suffering ... so you're stuck in your path and have disadvantaged yourselves.

People who want to agree with you may not agree fully with everything you believe, so in your mind, they must be despised. It's crazy stuff, but you can't see that. You can't admit that some bad players got into an area that is science-connected, and co-opted it.
You can challenge anything I say and ask me for the evidence, but you don't - I've already shown you evidence and you knew it when you saw it Court documents. Official findings. Self-admissions. Not good enough for you guys to make one single admission. You cannot admit even one bad apple exists. There you go.
 
No. China Town Yes.
The “tigers” are called “Maid Brigades” - basically a marching drill team formed each year from the cream of the crop to march in parades and afterwards entertain higher echelon PLA officers and Party officials. After their year of service and deflowering they’re discharged to return to their homelands and do regular things. North Korea has them too.
 
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