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[Handlebars]

Imagine a population so duped as to believe we could vaccinate our way out, when we already knew it was in all kind of mammal. Dog cat bear deer mink on and on.


But wait. Not in bats?????

Memory much, guys?

Not bats?
hmmmm...I wonder if I can remember what they were trying to do in the lab prior to all this. The research Fauci did not fund through EcoAlliance, whose boss also was not the inspector allowed in to investigate the lab leak idea a year later.

Yeah, that research. They wanted to do what with bats. And what was a problem in doing that, that they needed to solve?
Better check on that. Trying to infect bats?

 

[Handlebars]

"Lab-made Coronavirus caused concern - in 2015​

Ralph Baric, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, last week (November 9) published a study on his team’s efforts to engineer a virus with the surface protein of the SHC014 coronavirus, found in horseshoe bats in China, and the backbone of one that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice. The hybrid virus could infect human airway cells and caused disease in mice, according to the team’s results, which were published in Nature Medicine.
The results demonstrate the ability of the SHC014 surface protein to bind and infect human cells, validating concerns that this virus—or other coronaviruses found in bat species—may be capable of making the leap to people without first evolving in an intermediate host, Nature reported. They also reignite a debate about whether that information justifies the risk of such work, known as gain-of-function research. “If the [new] virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, told Nature."

OK. So Ralph was working on how to make a bat virus that would infect human airways without an intermediary.
Ralph and The Wuhan Bat Lady, that is.

and their first step was to make such a pathogen and demonstrate the pathogenicity by using humanized mice that all died of the disease. done.

• Zhengli-Li Shi &
• Ralph S Baric

Now they had to infect bats.

 

[Handlebars]

But why did they have to infect bats?
Just to demonstrate that it was possible that SARS 1 could have come from bats?
That sounds pretty odd right there.

 

[PedalUma]

Quebec's 'unvaxxed tax' has people rushing to get vaccinated.​

Quebec's 'unvaxxed tax' has people rushing to get vaccinated

Quebec has reported the most COVID-19 deaths of any Canadian province. Only around 10% of its population is unvaccinated, but they make up 50% of all intensive care cases.

www.npr.org

 

[ActionJackson]

Quebec's 'unvaxxed tax' has people rushing to get vaccinated.​

Quebec's 'unvaxxed tax' has people rushing to get vaccinated

Quebec has reported the most COVID-19 deaths of any Canadian province. Only around 10% of its population is unvaccinated, but they make up 50% of all intensive care cases.

www.npr.org

I’m okay with that. The only issue in America is that once you place preconditions on coverage for one thing you have to allow them for others. In a healthcare system like that which currently exists in all kinds of dominoes begin to fall. Had Cancer last year? This years premium is 20x. Smoker? Sure we’ll cover you for $100k a year. ObamaCare has something in it preventing preconditions as well, and they don’t exist for Medicare etc either.

Edit: Not to mention the National ID system to document vaccination status. I imagine that will take a decade to develop and another decade in litigation.

 

[Handlebars]

Quebec's 'unvaxxed tax' has people rushing to get vaccinated.​

Quebec's 'unvaxxed tax' has people rushing to get vaccinated

Quebec has reported the most COVID-19 deaths of any Canadian province. Only around 10% of its population is unvaccinated, but they make up 50% of all intensive care cases.

www.npr.org

A dodgy report from NPR is considered good evidence of something by some people.

 

[PatriciaK]

I’m okay with that. The only issue in America is that once you place preconditions on coverage for one thing you have to allow them for others. In a healthcare system like that which currently exists in all kinds of dominoes begin to fall. Had Cancer last year? This years premium is 20x. Smoker? Sure we’ll cover you for $100k a year. ObamaCare has something in it preventing preconditions as well, and they don’t exist for Medicare etc either.

Edit: Not to mention the National ID system to document vaccination status. I imagine that will take a decade to develop and another decade in litigation.

I think what's different is that people unvaccinated against COVID have a terrible impact on everyone else. For one, when 50% of ICU beds are occupied with patients who could have easily prevented hospitalization altogether by getting vaccinated, that denies those beds to others who need them.

Personally though, I think it was the requirement to be vaccinated to enter liquor and pot shops that galvanized the vaccination surge . We should try that !

 

[Handlebars]

You guys are presuming something. You're presuming that the source of your new knowledge is reporting accurately in unbiased fashion. In this case, presuming that with NPR here, is inadvisable.
For example, did they account for people who were just finished waiting the prescribed interval for their next shot, did they label them as "unvaxxed rushing in because threat of tax"?

 

[tomjasz]

Quebec's 'unvaxxed tax' has people rushing to get vaccinated.

Isn’t Handlevax a Canuck?

 

[ActionJackson]

I think what's different is that people unvaccinated against COVID have a terrible impact on everyone else. For one, when 50% of ICU beds are occupied with patients who could have easily prevented hospitalization altogether by getting vaccinated, that denies those beds to others who need them.

No difference. The same could be said for:
- alcoholics with liver failure
- smokers with lung cancer and heart attacks
- fat people with diabetes and clogged arteries
- people with AIDS and STDs
- drug addicts that OD’d
- people who’ve crashed their car
- mountain bikers falling off a cliff

etc etc etc

“Sorry but your son’s broken neck can’t be treated under the health plan because his skateboarding accident while riding on top of a handrail is a preventable injury and the result of irresponsible behavior”

Actually I’m all GO for a healthcare insurance / system with precondition exceptions and rates. Especially in the USA , because I live in Japan .

 

[Gionnirocket]

No difference. The same could be said for:
- alcoholics with liver failure
- smokers with lung cancer and heart attacks
- fat people with diabetes and clogged arteries
- people with AIDS and STDs
- drug addicts that OD’d
- people who’ve crashed their car
- mountain bikers falling off a cliff

etc etc etc

“Sorry but your son’s broken neck can’t be treated under the health plan because his skateboarding accident while riding on top of a handrail is a preventable injury and the result of irresponsible behavior”

Actually I’m all GO for a healthcare insurance / system with precondition exceptions and rates. Especially in the USA , because I live in Japan .

Actually there is a big difference and if it has to be explained, perhaps you're part of the problem

 

[PedalUma]

Actually there is a big difference and if it has to be explained, perhaps you're part of the problem

Mary Mallon, commonly known as Typhoid Mary, was a cook who infected 53 people with typhoid fever, three of whom died, and the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the disease pathogen.
Being a vector and letting it mutate in you as you spread it to others is not their fault. Many super spreaders are asymptomatic. Being Adult is being responsible within your community, being an adult means not *hitting in the community well like an *ss.

 

[Handlebars]

Mary Mallon, commonly known as Typhoid Mary, was a cook who infected 53 people with typhoid fever, three of whom died, and the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the disease pathogen.
Being a vector and letting it mutate in you as you spread it to others is not their fault. Many super spreaders are asymptomatic. Being Adult is being responsible within your community, being an adult means not *hitting in the community well like an *ss.
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news flash. the vaccinated catch covid . it mutates in anyone who has it. all the time.

 

[Handlebars]

Actually there is a big difference and if it has to be explained, perhaps you're part of the problem

or just maybe you can't support your claim again

 

[PatriciaK]

Mary Mallon, commonly known as Typhoid Mary, was a cook who infected 53 people with typhoid fever, three of whom died, and the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the disease pathogen.
Being a vector and letting it mutate in you as you spread it to others is not their fault. Many super spreaders are asymptomatic. Being Adult is being responsible within your community, being an adult means not *hitting in the community well like an *ss.
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It's not ones fault if they don't know, but if I remember correctly, even after Mary was made aware that she was a carrier and spreader, she persisted in obtaining employment that caused several outbreaks - a sad parallel of sorts to the unvaccinated today.

 

[PedalUma]

It's not ones fault if they don't know, but if I remember correctly, even after Mary was made aware that she was a carrier and spreader, she persisted in obtaining employment that caused several outbreaks - a sad parallel of sorts to the unvaccinated today.

That is true. Exactly, what about the ones who do know and spread regardless, like someone in the 80's who knew they had AIDS and went to the Turkish Bathhouse anyway?

 

[Handlebars]

That's OK as long as you can make up more stuff!

 

[Handlebars]

That is true. But what about the ones who do know and spread regardless, like someone in the 80's who knew they had AIDS and went to the Turkish Bathhouse anyway?

What are you talking about? You Califreaks made it OK to intentionally infect people with HIV .

 

[Gordon71]

It's not ones fault if they don't know, but if I remember correctly, even after Mary was made aware that she was a carrier and spreader, she persisted in obtaining employment that caused several outbreaks - a sad parallel of sorts to the unvaccinated today.

Guess it depends on whether she did it to be malicious or keep from starving. Considering that today vaccines are not only safe and readily available but also free takes away all excuses not to get them other than malicious.

 

[Mulezen]

The difference today is that prominent voices via the various media pump out misinformation and outlandish conspiracy theories as if it is their job…which it is. The pathetic trolls we have here, whether its climate change or Covid, take these positions on faith…and they‘re all part and parcel of the far right‘s campaign of fear and loathing.
I recently read a wonderful lengthy piece in The New Yorker about the Costa Rican health system and the faith the rural locals have in their local health care. It’s Better statistically than the US though on a shoestring. They get their shots because they have faith in science rather than politicians