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[kmccune]

Around here we do not have women in uniform like in North Korea. We have something so much better: Liberated nature girls! I got to hang out with some yesterday. Their moms are also lovely.
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Hey there "Little Red Riding Hood" you sure are looking good.,( sorry I would have to howl , the best aphrodisiac is pretty women)

 

[PedalUma]

I think that those Nature Chicks are a little on the young side for you.

 

[Taylor57]

Godzilla" the sleeping giant awakens" guess who the sleeping giant was in those days, the whole Godzilla meme was full of symbolism, the Japanese have a special interest in the subject,first Hiroshima than Fukushima

I give up, who?

 

[Catalyzt]

For example about half of California’s electricity is imported from coal fired plants in surrounding states,

Uh, no. This is both junk science and misleading, and I'm pretty sure I know where it came from: An article from October 22nd, 2015 by the "Institute for Energy Research," a 501(c)(3) that serves as a front group for the fossil fuel industry.

From Wikipedia:

"IER is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization and is funded by tax deductible contributions from individuals, foundations and corporations.[1][10] IER has received funding from the Brown Foundation(started by founders of a construction and energy company), the Searle Freedom Trust and the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation.[11][12] They have also previously received funding from ExxonMobil,[13] the American Petroleum Institute,[3] the Center to Protect Patient Rights,[3] and Peabody Energy.[2] IER says that it has not sought for or accepted financial support from the government.[1]

IER has been described as a front group for the fossil fuel industry, since it has accepted financial donations from firms in that sector.[2][3][4]"

I'm not going to link to the article, but it's a real classic for cherry picking. They think you are stupid, VoltMan. Don't let them get away with it. Think for yourself.

Here's what you'll find if you dig a little deeper: The stats for this article come from a piece by Molly Christian on 10/12/15 in some publication called SNL. (This is probably SNL Energy, a company that provides data from commodities trading.) Here's how they came up with that number:

"But at times, as much as 50% of Southern California's electricity still comes from coal-fired plants, Steve Homer, director of project management for the Southern California Public Power Authority, or SCPPA, told SNL Energy. The three main out-of-state coal plants serving California — the Intermountain Power Project in Utah, the San Juan plant in New Mexico and the Navajo plant in Arizona — together received 10.1 million tons of coal in the first seven months of 2015, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data." (Italics mine)

Um, excuse me... they cherry-picked seven months from one year, and that was seven years ago, to make the claim that 'about half' of California's electricity is imported? Nice try, assholes.

Let's look at the primary source (the EIA) and see what they have to say about that for a more recent year-- and for the entire year. (Note that the EIA provided the raw data that Christian cherry-picked for her 2015 article.) In 2019, electricity imports (of any kind) represented less than 30% of California's total electricity supply, and that most of that was from renewable resources in surrounding states.

"About 10% of California's total electricity imports are from coal-fired power plants, but coal's total contribution to the state's electricity supply from imports and in-state generation in 2019 was less than 3%.37 Electricity supplied from out-of-state coal-fired power plants decreased following the enactment of a state law in 2006 that requires California utilities to limit new long-term financial investments in baseload generation to power plants that meet California emissions performance standards. Essentially all of California's imports of coal-fired generation are projected to end by 2026."

Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=CA

But this isn't the worst of it-- this claim is considering only electricity consumption, which is only a fraction of the far more important metric: energy consumption. It doesn't make a lot of sense to leave other forms of energy usage out the equation, right? Greenhouse gasses come from many other sources besides electricity usage, yes?

If we consider the more important and inclusive metric of energy consumption rather than electricity? Electricity imports are a negligible fraction of total energy consumption. Coal producers better crank up the Sex Pistols, because there is no future, no future, no future for you...

To be fair, this lists "Net Electricity Imports" as a function of total energy used, which is measured in BTUs. A little confusing, I don't want to do the apples and oranges thing, and I did want to find out how much of our electricity was imported in 2019 as a function of total electricity used just for giggles.

Here's the answer:

"California Energy Commission (CEC) data for 2019 showed in-state generation of 200 TWh and net imports of 77 TWh to give a total of 277 TWh. In-state: 16 TWh was nuclear, 86 TWh natural gas, 33 TWh large hydro, 29 TWh solar, 14 TWh wind, 11 TWh geothermal, 6 TWh biomass, 5 TWh small hydro and 0.25 TWh coal. The imports were 24 TWh from Pacific Northwest and 53 TWh from Southwest, the latter including 17 TWh from coal and gas."

Source: (California Energy Comission as listed, hit the link, it will take you right to the page.)

Read it and weep: We generated 200 TWh of electricity, and imported a total of 77 TWh, with only a fraction of that being from coal.

Nowhere near 50%. What a crock! A lie within a lie.

 

[Mulezen]

A lie yes but to “the True Believer”. If it confirms their bias its gospel.

 

[Cowlitz]

I see we are still shipping power south. Good to know.
Off the top of my head, I'd say that the majority of what we PNWers send that way is from hydro.

 

[Catalyzt]

I like the Green Room.
Clean energy is nuclear source.
We have submarines and ships with electricity capability to power an entire area with electricity where it's needed in the field.

Alas, and if private industry did as good a job of managing nuclear power as the Navy does, that might be a viable option.

But they never have, and they can never be trusted to do so, so I do not think nuclear will be a safe option for commercial power, at least for a few centuries, and it's not at all clear our species will survive that long. Fuku and Chernobyl are still dangerous as hell, and will be for decades, maybe hundreds of years.

There's still fission happening at both plants-- and we don't know why. We have no idea what's going on in Unit 2 at Fuku or room 205/2 at Chernobyl. No more nuclear power until that question is answered.

This is one of the reasons I became a psychotherapist: As a species, we should be getting better at understanding and managing these risks. But the evidence says we are not.

I want to know why.

 

[ActionJackson]

Nuclear, clean coal, & clean diesel. Great for the planet but the oceans will still get warmer from the earth’s center convecting heat to the surface.

Anyways I’m always filling it up for the future thanks to Rudolf Diesel and Bavarian Motor Works:

 

[celbii]

Thanks! But doesn’t one party control all of those three branches now? Seems like if you had a majority in two and concurrence in the other you could make laws and budgets and stuff, ratify treaties etc ?

This was a joke right? No one could really type this out and believe what they were typing?

 

[Gionnirocket]

Nuclear, clean coal, & clean diesel. Great for the planet but the oceans will still get warmer from the earth’s center convecting heat to the surface.

Anyways I’m always filling it up for the future thanks to Rudolf Diesel and Bavarian Motor Works:

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Diesel Beem'r.... Talk about a silk hat on a pig.
And when the earth over heats from convecting, you'll still be able to run that car in the garage with the AC cranked to stay cool with that clean diesel. Try it now and let us know how many degrees below ambient you can get it

 

[ActionJackson]

Alas, and if private industry did as good a job of managing nuclear power as the Navy does, that might be a viable option.

But they never have, and they can never be trusted to do so, so I do not think nuclear will be a safe option for commercial power, at least for a few centuries, and it's not at all clear our species will survive that long. Fuku and Chernobyl are still dangerous as hell, and will be for decades, maybe hundreds of years.

There's still fission happening at both plants-- and we don't know why. We have no idea what's going on in Unit 2 at Fuku or room 205/2 at Chernobyl. No more nuclear power until that question is answered.

This is one of the reasons I became a psychotherapist: As a species, we should be getting better at understanding and managing these risks. But the evidence says we are not.

I want to know why.

I think you rely too much on Mother Jones & Green Peace. They are progressing well with cleanup. Actually TEPCO will dump some of the cleanup water into the sea as it’s already at an acceptable level. The current U.S. administration has even given its blessing via Secretary of State Blinken:

"In this unique and challenging situation, Japan has weighed the options and effects, has been transparent about its decision, and appears to have adopted an approach in accordance with globally accepted nuclear safety standards.

"We look forward to the government of Japan's continued coordination and communication as it monitors the effectiveness of this approach."

Unless you’re trying to tell me the U.S. government is lying? In that case wouldn’t that mean that everything they tell us about climate and the environment cannot be believed?

So if you really believe that it’s dangerous you should start protesting because it’s headed your way very soon via the transpacific currents :

“Oh No, .. There Goes Redondo, .. Go Go Godzilla….”

 

[Handlebars]

Uh, no. This is both junk science and misleading, and I'm pretty sure I know where it came from: An article from October 22nd, 2015 by the "Institute for Energy Research," a 501(c)(3) that serves as a front group for the fossil fuel industry.

It's a good sign, that you had familiarity with the subject. It's not a good sign, that it only works one way for you, and you buy into totally corrupt narratives and even after being shown, you still pretend that climate science has not been co-opted by political operators. For you, the fossil fuel industry corrupts - except when it does so to your liking.

See what I did there? I agree that you showed up a questionable group putting out info that doesn't stand up.
Never happens the other way around. Even when shown court records proving corruption of the top names, you still pretend it's all good in climate science.

 

[Cowlitz]

I know a former Navy "nuke" who also says that yes, nuclear power would be safe if it could be controlled in the same way as the Navy does. He'll follow up with "that is not possible." He won't go into any details.

 

[DavidRvR]

This was a joke right? No one could really type this out and believe what they were typing?

Have you looked into it? Maybe you should... Where is the checks and balances for the FBI? CIA? NSA? ... Maxwell trial should open up some people eyes.. Where are the names? Dont think these people are not controlled .. Its Naïve to think not.


The control is real. Read these and then get back to me..Think bigger picture.

HAPPY HUNTING!!

The Fourth Branch of United States Government - The Last Refuge

Why does government seem to control so much of our lives now? What significant changes happened in the past 15 years that created a social shift and allowed government to influence almost every facet of our activity? Why has the previously ordinary become so complex? Why is it more difficult...

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The Intelligence Branch and Big Tech Say The Quiet Part Out Loud - Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, Google and Big Tech Writ Large Will Monitor Platforms and Report Extremist Content to FIVE EYES Intelligence Network - The Last Refuge

Today the biggest names in Big Tech announce they have partnered with the Five Eyes intelligence network

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Obama Issues Executive Order Giving Executive Branch (Him) Control Over All U.S. Resources In Times of Emergency or War… - The Last Refuge

Ok folks, I have read all the pertinent factors on this latest Executive Order and will weigh in below the outlining article with my opinion as to why the administration is taking this approach. There are multiple “Tin Foily” and knee jerk speculations about this, but I would remind Treepers to...

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DOJ Inspector General Releases Damning Results of FISA Application Review and Missing Woods Procedures, But Don't Expect Any Accountability - Remember Mary McCord Was Prepositioned - The Last Refuge

The DOJ Office of Inspector General (OIG) has released a review of FISA applications used to gain Title-1 surveillance warrants against U.S. persons. [LINK HERE] The review specifically looks at the earlier issues identified in ‘Woods Files‘ that are legally required to be present in any FISA...

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CNN and WaPo Write Devastating Articles Outlining General Mark Milley as Leader of Military Coup Against President Trump - The Last Refuge

The headline stories today are large, and so is the background as these issues surface. Context becomes increasingly important as each aspect is reviewed. As you look at the stories, remember this context (emphasized as a reminder): ♦ TEAM One – The Department of State is aligned with the CIA...

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Sharyl Attkisson Discusses DOJ/FBI Corruption and Congressional Roles and Responsibilities... - The Last Refuge

Sharyl Attkisson does a great job staying at a high-level and focusing on the big picture of how the DOJ and FBI are subordinate to the oversight of congress. The intelligence apparatus is not a 4th branch of government, they a part of the Executive Branch and subject to the oversight of the...

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The Modern Weaponization of Our National Security System Is The Lasting Legacy of Barack Obama and Eric Holder - The Last Refuge

In anticipation of the Tucker Carlson documentary “The Patriot Purge: The True Story Behind 1/6”, I have been requested to repost some lengthy research we presented about the Fourth Branch of Government. There is a distinct connection and similarity between how 9/11/01 was used and how the...

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The Continued American Awakening of The FBI as an Official Enforcement Mechanism of The Fourth Branch of Government - The Last Refuge

More people are awakening to the uncomfortable reality that the FBI is a domestic enforcement mechanism for the Fourth Branch of Government. The most recent awakening is being driven by the brazen FBI raid on Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe with the intent to leak the information to their...

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Part I, The Solution - Deconstructing the Fourth Branch of Government - The Last Refuge

Now that we understand the problem [CRITICAL BACKGROUND HERE], we move into the solution discussion. There is a way to deconstruct the current system of corruption within the U.S. government that follows a path outlined by the framers of our constitution. In this series of articles we will...

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The Curious DC Judicial Moves Continue - Page v Comey Case Reassigned, With Even Sketchier FISA Court Background - The Last Refuge

Yesterday, we noted the curiously random set of coincidences taking place amid an internecine DC judicial system {GO DEEP}. The network of DC relationships, specifically judges, connected to prior Main Justice DOJ, FBI and FISA Court activity could not be as random as the process defenders...

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And if you actually would read these.. they are short.. Have good insight .. but you must be able to dbble in these articles to help your understanding.. then you might be honest enough to agree.

Preview to Answering The Big Question, How Do We Fix This Mess? - The Last Refuge

Why does government seem to control so much of our lives now? What significant changes happened in the past 15 years that created a social shift and allowed government to influence almost every facet of our activity? Why has the previously ordinary become so complex? Why is it more difficult to...

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[DavidRvR]

Here are the ones I was looking for..its a series. ..Read these and then comment..

The Fourth Branch of United States Government - The Last Refuge

Why does government seem to control so much of our lives now? What significant changes happened in the past 15 years that created a social shift and allowed government to influence almost every facet of our activity? Why has the previously ordinary become so complex? Why is it more difficult...

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Day One - The Fourth Branch of Government, The Intelligence Branch - The Last Refuge

Here we pick up the intelligence issues as they manifest post 9/11/01 and highlight how the modern version of the total intelligence apparatus has now metastasized into a fourth branch of government.

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Day Two - The Fourth Branch of Government, The Intelligence Branch - The Last Refuge

If we start with this interview between Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald we can see they get a lot of the foundation correct, but they miss align the cornerstone.

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Day Three, The Fourth Branch of Government, The Intelligence Branch - The Last Refuge

People want examples of work the Intelligence Branch conducts, specifically how it protects itself. Here is an example before going further tomorrow. Mark Steyn and Glenn Greenwald discuss the surveillance state weaponized by Barack Obama, and why Julian Assange had to be taken down. Yes, the...

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Day Four - The Fourth Branch of Government, The Intelligence Branch - The Last Refuge

The Go8 construct was designed to allow the President authority to carry out intelligence operations and provide the most sensitive notifications to a select group within congress.

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Day Five - The Fourth Branch of Government, The Intelligence Branch - The Last Refuge

Global Intelligence. Bbefore completing the final outline there is a structural understanding needed about the global intelligence apparatus.

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[Catalyzt]

Unless you’re trying to tell me the U.S. government is lying? In that case wouldn’t that mean that everything they tell us about climate and the environment cannot be believed?

Oh, wow-- I forgot: If an individual or an organization lies about one thing, that always means that they must be lying about everything, so I get to believe what I like, whether it makes any sense or not. My bad!

Thanks for explaining the ongoing criticality issue at Chernobyl and Fukushima as well, instead of deflecting into a completely different argument about ocean contamination that I did not make. Go ahead, change the subject whenever someone brings up a topic that makes you uncomfortable.

Guess I was wrong when I said I'd look forward to a good debate with you. Too bad. This is boring.

 

[Handlebars]

Oh, wow-- I forgot: If an individual or an organization lies about one thing, that always means that they must be lying about everything, so I get to believe what I like, wakes any sense or not. My bad!

Thanks for explaining the ongoing criticality issue at Chernobyl and Fukushima as well, instead of deflecting into a completely different argument about ocean contamination that I did not make. Go ahead, change the subject whenever someone brings up a topic that makes you uncomfortable.

Guess I was wrong when I said I'd look forward to a good debate with you. Too bad. This is boring.

You're using flawed logic, Catalyst. You're supposed to be an analyst of some kind.
The first logical fallacy that you hid behind was to strawman the argument by misrepresenting what was said to you.
You changed

wouldn’t that mean that everything they tell us about climate and the environment cannot be believed?

to

that always means that they must be lying about everything

In order to present your unjust ridicule.
There is a big difference between saying everything they tell us cannot be believed and saying they must be lying about everything
Then you used that changed statement you made, to make up a smear.

 

[DavidRvR]

Would anyone explain why the changes? After 2 years almost? Thought they had a handle on pandemics as they progressed? They was the end all to help Stop this thing in its tracks.. Guess practice makes perfect... 800k dead is a good start to learning I guess.

Pandemic Narrative Undergoes Radical U-Turn

STORY AT-A-GLANCE In recent days, the pandemic narrative has undergone a remarkable number of U-turns January 9, 2022, CDC director

noqreport.com

 

[Gionnirocket]

Would anyone explain why the changes? After 2 years almost? Thought they had a handle on pandemics as they progressed? They was the end all to help Stop this thing in its tracks.. Guess practice makes perfect... 800k dead is a good start to learning I guess.

Pandemic Narrative Undergoes Radical U-Turn

STORY AT-A-GLANCE In recent days, the pandemic narrative has undergone a remarkable number of U-turns January 9, 2022, CDC director

noqreport.com

Simple... the ignorant spineless conservatives still need more time to figure out they need to get vaccinated as well as fighting any and all of masking requirements... no matter how obviously helpful.
Understandable as the brain damage caused from keeping their heads so far up Trumps ass is proving irreversible.

 

[Gionnirocket]

Guess these are Spineless also? Lol ... Its falling apart.. Time will show the world was Duped

IT’S OVER: England drops vaccine passports, mask mandates, and work restrictions

Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced an end to COVID measures in England, including face masks in public places and vaccine passports.

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No... They've got a better vaccination rate than the US as well as their leaders aren't scared sheep blindly following a self-serving POS of a human being.
Duped into what? Taking the vaccine? Or the election was stolen