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[Gionnirocket]

Guess it depends on whether she did it to be malicious or keep from starving. Considering that today vaccines are not only safe and readily available but also free takes away all excuses not to get them other than malicious.

No.. You're forgetting about the most probable reason/excuse. Incurably stupid.

 

[Gordon71]

No.. You're forgetting about the most probable reason/excuse. Incurably stupid.

Yeah,I realized that right after posting.

 

[john peck]

Guess it depends on whether she did it to be malicious or keep from starving. Considering that today vaccines are not only safe and readily available but also free takes away all excuses not to get them other than malicious.

Indeed, all those who feel at risk should be vaxed. My region, the western shore of Puget Sound had
the least new cases of any in the entire lower 48..

 

[john peck]

Patty, is that because peolpe here are the most vaxxed, or the most heathy? Could they have
all had it already? Could it be an asymtomatic carrier infected them with a more benign varient
giving them immunity? I have no answers. Post office here took down the mask requirement
sign. ?

 

[Handlebars]

Patty, is that because peolpe here are the most vaxxed, or the most heathy? Could they have
all had it already? Could it be an asymtomatic carrier infected them with a more benign varient
giving them immunity? I have no answers. Post office here took down the mask requirement
sign. ?

It was BS that everyone would get omicron, john. That was some really low intellect propaganda they put out. UK is already on the downturn.
Covid will NOT be over, either. More and more of the vaxxed will get it, no big deal, they are immune defectives now, and will just have to live with it and their portrait of Dr Fauci on the wall.

 

[tomjasz]

Handlebars?

 

[Catalyzt]

No difference. The same could be said for:
- alcoholics with liver failure
- smokers with lung cancer and heart attacks
- fat people with diabetes and clogged arteries
- people with AIDS and STDs
- drug addicts that OD’d
- people who’ve crashed their car
- mountain bikers falling off a cliff

etc etc etc

“Sorry but your son’s broken neck can’t be treated under the health plan because his skateboarding accident while riding on top of a handrail is a preventable injury and the result of irresponsible behavior”

Actually I’m all GO for a healthcare insurance / system with precondition exceptions and rates. Especially in the USA , because I live in Japan .

Nah, all these examples are very different and involve very different levels of personal responsibility. For example: Some folks really cannot lose weight due to metabolic problems-- a few of my friends (one of them a former roommate who I worked with at home, so I was with the guy 24/7 for weeks at a time), I watch what they eat, I see how they exercise, they still can't lose weight. It's absolutely outside their control.

We have two dogs, one 16-pounds, the other 14 pounds. The 14 pound dog eats at least 20% more and never gains weight. The 16 pound dog eats almost nothing, and it's hell keeping him at a good weight.

I disagree with many of your opinions, VM, but as you probably know, agree with many others-- and we might agree about this: I would support a vaccine mandate only for people who refuse to wear high-quality, properly fitted N95/P100 masks or reusable respirators in indoor spaces or crowded outdoor ones.

I'm actually on the fence about the mandates as they are currently conceived-- I don't have a clear opinion at this point. With an N95 mask exemption, though, I'd support them wholeheartedly.

Let's consider what's actually safer: Two unvaccinated people wearing high-grade masks properly vs. two vaccinated people not wearing masks, assuming people are indoors, about 6-10 feet of distance, and reasonable ventilation.

My opinion is not a popular one: I think the unvaccinated people wearing masks are safer. At the start of the pandemic, some unvaccinated doctors with good PPE had contact with COVID patients all day long without getting infected.

I don't think it's a big deal to wear masks in public... but of course, that's what I would think because that's the reality I thought I would be facing, and what I was mentally preparing myself for. On paper, at least, I'm high risk for both the virus and the vaccine due to an autoimmune disorder. And I expected to see more adverse events from the vaccine in folks with Lupus and RA-- and a lot of rheumatologists expected to see more AEs in this population as well, so I had every expectation I would be abstaining from the fax and branded as a 'vaccine-hesitant.' I was pleasantly surprised by the results of the studies I read, and I've had no AE's from the vax myself. (Just got boosted today. A little sleepy, that's about it so far.)

If we'd all worn high-quality masks, and if we were as careful with masks as skydivers are with parachutes, scuba divers are with regulators? I'm not sure there would have been a pandemic. I think we could have stopped it. It's a shame that we need the vaccine at all-- and the fact that we do is probably more avoidable than some folks being overweight.

I've never understood why wearing a mask is quite such a big deal for some people-- that it symbolizes social control or something. It has a practical purpose!

You mentioned the Real ID, I think, in another post or someone else did. THAT is something I'll never submit to; it's completely Orwellian, and the worst kind of security measure, because it gives an illusory sense of security: I have no doubt the "Real ID" will eventually be as easy to forge as a driver's license. I'll just bring my passport to the airport. I also won't put up with substituting an app for my medical ID card and a lot of other crap.

But not wearing a mask because it somehow infringes on personal freedom? That just seems batsh!t crazy to me. Come on, people wear masks and respirators at the target range while exercising their second amendment rights! And I admit, that surprised me the first time I went to an indoor target range. "Wow, these guys are hard-core, this is totally Mad Max."

Lead particles in the air are no joke! <-- HA! See? Back to air pollution! It took me a while, but I got back to a Green Room topic!

 

[Handlebars]

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Hi Tom. How did the exam go? Giving Brandon a run for his money?

 

[PedalUma]

I got a boost yesterday morning. My left arm at the shoulder right now feels like it was hit by a baseball. That means it is working. In two weeks, I will have inexplicable bloody noses for three mornings and some dhiarea and some joint pain with swelling. That is the price for doing the right thing as a responsible adult as part of a community facing a communicable airborne deadly pandemic. I still did three long rides today. Now I will be less likely to waste limited, over stressed, hospital resources or kill someone's mom.

 

[john peck]

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That´s so cold ...Thing is, in my area there are sereral naval installations with vessels coming &
going from all over the globe including the orient. Westerm WA. had the 1st cases of C-19
in the U.S., & yet it seems among the first to show strong recovery. I think SARS has been here
for sometime.

 

[Handlebars]

I got a boost yesterday morning. My left arm at the shoulder right now feels like it was hit by a baseball. That means it is working. In two weeks, I will have inexplicable bloody noses for three mornings and some dhiarea and some joint pain with swelling. That is the price for doing the right thing as a responsible adult as part of a community facing a communicable airborne deadly pandemic. I still did three long rides today. Now I will be less likely to waste limited, over stressed, hospital resources or kill someone's mom.

That is really really inadvisable. People should never exercise after the coof or the shot; you risk heart problems. In fact,you are doing the opposite of being responsible.You are a danger to yourself and pose one more burden when you get the inffffflaaaaamed ticker. Don't say you were not told.
champion rider takes a hot shot

 

[Handlebars]

Nah, all these examples are very different and involve very different levels of personal responsibility. For example: Some folks really cannot lose weight due to metabolic problems

What a bogus argument. Terrible logic there, buddy. And it's false.

 

[DavidRvR]

Have to agree with Handlbars on this one... Caloric intake needs to be low... anyone can starve to death

Most people that are overweight have a thyroid or a metabolic problem anyways.. well because they are overweight

Eat 300 calories a day and see how fast you lose weight... doesnt matter what your metabolism does.

 

[PedalUma]

That´s so cold ...Thing is, in my area there are sereral naval installations with vessels coming &
going from all over the globe including the orient. Westerm WA. had the 1st cases of C-19
in the U.S., & yet it seems among the first to show strong recovery. I think SARS has been here
for sometime.

The first time I got Covid is when bike executives returned from China in late 2019. The guy next to me was hospitalized for six weeks with phenomena. Then, we did not know what it was. I had weird states cognitively, sleepy in meetings, with bowel problems,
morning bloody noses and joint stiffness. "If your joints are stiff, just don't roll them so tightly."

 

[tomjasz]

That´s so cold ...Thing is, in my area there are sereral naval installations with vessels coming &
going from all over the globe including the orient. Westerm WA. had the 1st cases of C-19
in the U.S., & yet it seems among the first to show strong recovery. I think SARS has been here
for sometime.

I find this discussion an interesting sideline. Some really swell folks discussing green living. As soon as it devolves into finger pointing, insulting opinions, and deriding good science it’s trolling in my book. I didn’t blather about tRump nor do I defend Joe. It’s the dumbing down of honest thoughtful consideration and lack of just plain giving a s*it. And yes I’m making a judgement. Crying white guys acting like victims getting blown off from their first kiss at 14. Emotional babies.
“Work hard boy and you'll find
One day you'll have a job like mine, job like mine, a job like mine”

 

[Handlebars]

I figure I've given the coof to 0 people.
Because I take simple measures.
At first the measures we took were extreme in masking eyeglasses or goggles, and in preliminary decontamination before coming through the door, with 100% alcohol. Later I heard it works better at 75%. Shoes sprayed. Hydrogen peroxide for some things. Clothes bagged for laundry. Wash up.
That's HOW we didn't get it.
Now it's much different. We know what it is and are way less paranoid. I would bet that I've inhaled some covid virus too. That was the whole point. Get tiny amounts if you're in close quarters with a sickie.
Oh yeah, and breathe shallowly in polluted air. Breath deeply in fresh air. Write that down.

 

[Handlebars]

anyone can starve to death



Eat 300 calories a day and see how fast you lose weight... doesnt matter what your metabolism does.

right? yeah, it might be difficult and dangerous when it's out of hand already but slow and steady it can go away.

 

[Handlebars]

I find this discussion an interesting sideline. Some really swell folks discussing green living. As soon as it devolves into finger pointing, insulting opinions, and deriding good science it’s trolling in my book. I didn’t blather about tRump nor do I defend Joe. It’s the dumbing down of honest thoughtful consideration and lack of just plain giving a s*it. And yes I’m making a judgement. Crying white guys acting like victims getting blown off from their first kiss at 14. Emotional babies.
“Work hard boy and you'll find
One day you'll have a job like mine, job like mine, a job like mine”

cornpop much?

 

[john peck]

I find this discussion an interesting sideline. Some really swell folks discussing green living. As soon as it devolves into finger pointing, insulting opinions, and deriding good science it’s trolling in my book. I didn’t blather about tRump nor do I defend Joe. It’s the dumbing down of honest thoughtful consideration and lack of just plain giving a s*it. And yes I’m making a judgement. Crying white guys acting like victims getting blown off from their first kiss at 14. Emotional babies.
“Work hard boy and you'll find
One day you'll have a job like mine, job like mine, a job like mine”

Don´t look at me, I´m rather disgusted with politics & politicians in general, whatever their party. They
can´t seem to make much relevant progress on climate change or any ´green´ issue´. As I´ve said
all along, if anything is to be done it is the people themselves who will have to do it.

 

[PatriciaK]

Don´t look at me, I´m rather disgusted with politics & politicians in general, whatever their party. They
can´t seem to make much relevant progress on climate change or any ´green´ issue´. As I´ve said
all along, if anything is to be done it is the people themselves who will have to do it.

That right there is the problem - the people really don't care. If they did, they would elect representatives who would actually do something about climate change. The solution is difficult, and hardly anyone is interested in doing anything difficult any more, unless there's something immediate in it for them. I know in my heart my efforts are not changing a thing - but, I try anyway, so I can look myself in the face and know at least I did that.