Specialized Turbo Vado/Como/Tero/Tero X User Club
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PaD
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The new 48t on my first pic was on the bike as standard equipment but I had LBs change replace it to 40t before delivery.
So now I have a new 48t lying around. I’ll keep it if I would change my mind but really don’t think I will.
Stefan Mikes
Gravel e-biker
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- Europe
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- Mazovia, PL
I love my Vado and really have to ride at least in the Eco mode (not Off) to enjoy the benefit the e-bike gives me. I have found that if I use the 35/100 setting for the Eco mode, I could be on par with my healthy and strong brother riding an MTB.
However, it is something interesting I found about my Giant Trance E+ e-MTB: If that's a leisure ride in a hilly area, the Trance can be easily pedalled with the assistance off as long as you ride on even the slightest downslope. The benefit is saving the battery charge and the drawback is you ride at really low speed compared to what pedal-assistance can give you. Vado is not made that way: Vado loves to be fed on electrons! And it is really faster
Art Deco
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Thanks Marci jo. But I thought that you rode a Giant from some other post on here.Congrats on your new ebikes!
Many miles & smiles.
Art Deco,
Thanks for the compliment. I love the frame on Giant ebikes so maybe in the future. Full suspension electric mountain bike?!!
Currently only two ebikes:
- 2018 Vado 6.0 speed pedelec. I like to compare this machine to a corvette. Plenty of power, loves an long open trail, hates stop & go and puttering along. Very “torquey” with plenty of oomph.
- 2019 Trek class one. This ebike is more like a Toyota Prius. Very gentle, only 45 lbs so easy to haul, lower gears, less torque. Great for my groups so I can hang out in the back. It’s my grocery & errand bike.
Thanks for the compliment. I love the frame on Giant ebikes so maybe in the future. Full suspension electric mountain bike?!!
Currently only two ebikes:
- 2018 Vado 6.0 speed pedelec. I like to compare this machine to a corvette. Plenty of power, loves an long open trail, hates stop & go and puttering along. Very “torquey” with plenty of oomph.
- 2019 Trek class one. This ebike is more like a Toyota Prius. Very gentle, only 45 lbs so easy to haul, lower gears, less torque. Great for my groups so I can hang out in the back. It’s my grocery & errand bike.
Nxkharra
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20% 18-23mph is impressive. I am working on asking for less assist from my Vado 5 but for me more like 50% is comfortable. I do 30% when totally flat. Knees talk to me if I push too hard.
Nxkharra
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I found if my knees were too bent, or seat too low, my knees could bother me. Set seat to my other nonebike height and it was better.
Also with assist found I wasn’t working the leg muscles enough, fluid could settle in the leg tissues. Believed called edema, which would also effect my knees.
lay with your back on the floor and legs up a wall, helps with knees to reduce swelling. If it helps you have found your problem.
I tore an ACL and never had it fixed so have to be careful, not sn experience I want to repeat
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Nxkharra
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Great suggestion.I found if my knees were too bent, or seat too low, my knees could bother me. Set seat to my other nonebike height and it was better.
Also with assist found I wasn’t working the leg muscles enough, fluid could settle in the leg tissues. Believed called edema, which would also effect my knees.
lay with your back on the floor and legs up a wall, helps with knees to reduce swelling. If it helps you have found your problem.
I tore an ACL and never had it fixed so have to be careful, not sn experience I want to repeat
Stefan Mikes
Gravel e-biker
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- Europe
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- Mazovia, PL
I can bet you want it @Marci jo
You cannot go wrong with the Giant Trance E+ and you can choose the model that fits your needs and budget quite easily. Is your area hilly enough? How fortunate you are to live in a country with the 20 mph speed restriction for the Class 1 e-bikes!Talking about the Vado, I just cannot wait for the next ride with my brother Jacek. He added some extra kms on the yesterday's trip to show me some place:
-- If we followed that route then turned right and then left, we would reach Kazuń... and then it is a metric century ride -- he said.
-- Why don't we ride that way now? I feel good for 100 kilometres! -- I demanded.
-- You'd need the Vado to make it, Brother -- he explained -- Your 25 km/h Giant is just too slow for that!
Him, the fast traditional MTB rider!
Great point Stefan, those Giant bikes are tempting. Actually my eyes on on their Liv line, smaller frames and proportions.
The main draw for me is to be able to handle some of the crummy side roads and maybe pop over a curb or two.
Hope you and your brother have a great ride.
The main draw for me is to be able to handle some of the crummy side roads and maybe pop over a curb or two.
Hope you and your brother have a great ride.
Art Deco
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- Selinsgrove Pennsylvania
My wife and I liked the Giant Momentum line ... very similar to the Liv ... and had a rough time deciding between them and the Comos. I really like the IGHs but we want to travel with them when things clear up, and any bike shop can service deraillers. Seemed the Yamaha motors were stronger/lighter than the Brose too.
Sierratim
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- Nevada City, CA & Paradise Valley, AZ
What specs have you found on the Yamaha motors vs Brose?
Art Deco
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No s
Sorry no specs, just seat of pants feeling of power assist being stronger on the Giant on a level trail.
Sierratim
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Got it. The torque specs I've found put the Yamaha at 80Nm max and the Brose at 90Nm max, depending on motor model number. Here's some references that pop up when I Google motor torque by brand;
Yamaha answers Brose and Bosch's new mid-drive e-bike motors with its own powerhouse
On the heels of big announcements for new motors and battery systems from both Bosch and Brose, Yamaha has just...
electrek.co
Brose S motors — ElectriCityBikes
The S motor line is at the very front of the big dog pack - dramatically peppier than most competing systems, with 15% more power than the already strong Brose T . Pushing 90nm of torque and 550 (560 for the Mag version) peak watts, and applied with the signature Brose smooth/natural feeling and lo
www.electricitybikes.com
These graphs of torque output for the Brose motor are also available online;
Bike gearing will certainly change how the bike feels.
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