Solving which Ebike to buy/build has become a hobby

I have a correction to make. I thought that @Merle Nelson was the guy I took out on a ride in the hills last week. I was wrong and stand corrected. Merle rode one of my bikes back in late March of 2021, not January of 2022. What is interesting is they both had the same or similar experience, hence my confusion. Thanks.
 
If you can get by with smaller battery capacity then there are options that don't look bad.
I have no personal experience with this $169 36v 8ah battery but I have other cheap Amazon sourced batteries that have worked flawlessly for me so far. For my riding 10ah batteries last for at least 50 miles, actually I've never run one down to cut off including >60 miles of riding. YMMV.

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I have no need for another battery but if I was in the market I'd try this one out (and hope for the best).
I'm helping a friend do a conversion on his old 1980's era Diamondback Sorrento MTB. He wants to use it for short trips to the market with a round trip of 8 miles. He also wants the bike to look as stealthy as possible. He doesn't need a lot of capacity so we're going to use one of his cordless tool batteries:

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At 60V, it has a 4 AH capacity which should be good for 10 to 12 miles.

We're going to house it in this Topeak under seat bag and run the wiring inside the seat tube.

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When complete, it should be an interesting conversion.
 
I just saw this build on Craigslist. By the way quality batteries make all the difference. Good wine cannot not come from bad grapes.
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I'm helping a friend do a conversion on his old 1980's era Diamondback Sorrento MTB. He wants to use it for short trips to the market with a round trip of 8 miles. He also wants the bike to look as stealthy as possible. He doesn't need a lot of capacity so we're going to use one of his cordless tool batteries:

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At 60V, it has a 4 AH capacity which should be good for 10 to 12 miles.

We're going to house it in this Topeak under seat bag and run the wiring inside the seat tube.

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When complete, it should be an interesting conversion.
Someone on EBR was looking for "the smallest battery" to put on a kit bike. This would win the prize I would think.
 
Small batteries are not always a good choice. Especially with higher amps.
This is very true. That's why cordless tool batteries work well. They are designed for high current applications and don't generate much heat.
 
If you can get by with smaller battery capacity then there are options that don't look bad.
I have no personal experience with this $169 36v 8ah battery but I have other cheap Amazon sourced batteries that have worked flawlessly for me so far. For my riding 10ah batteries last for at least 50 miles, actually I've never run one down to cut off including >60 miles of riding. YMMV.

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I have no need for another battery but if I was in the market I'd try this one out (and hope for the best).
The 10 Ah 48 volt battery I have like this one works fine, it feeds a 1500 watt hub motor rather well.
 
I've found my small <8Ah batteries get hot when pushed. 36V below 15A is OK. My old Luna 52V 6-7Ah Was dead in one and a half seasons of use and running it on the motor it was sold for. The BBSHD just got it damn hot.

That said I've moved backward and now have 36V 17Ah and higher batteries. All 52V going to salvage. They aged out not tired from heavy use. My longest-lasting batteries have been my well-managed 36V ("Satiated"). 2- 2014 batteries and being replaced this past month. Works for me!

I know you don't agree, but those uber-cheap batteries scare me. I have a couple and they were OK. But didn't last as long as my EM3ev batts. Not even close.
Have had good luck with my 36volt conversions, especially when I figured out it was fast enough.
 
I just took a guy from Sonoma, who has read everything on the internet for months, on a ride. He has also visited the bike shops for test rides. He was set on 750W. But was blown away by riding a correctly tuned 350 motor. He may end up going the 705W way, yet a good 350 is nice, and is still significantly more powerful than the expensive Euro builds at LBS. Less obtrusive batteries can still have eBike specific high quality BMS and have high quality cells at the same time. Good batteries can also be tidy.
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I tried BBSHD motors and riding at 30+ MPH. I tried a 2WD MAC at52V(58.8V) It was fun, BUT!!!...I found braking inadequate and downright dangerous. The most frustrating customers for me were the Luna Tics and their insu=istance on high-speed "fake" eBikes. Hey I get it but I haven't made it to 70 with an incredibly active and often risky lifestyle by ignoring common sense. 30+ with 15MPH brakes is a formula for a disaster. I remain convinced those builds and bikes will bring the house down with more oppressive regulations. I'm a fat ass 250lbs and a 36V BBS01B with a 36V battery can propel me at speeds sufficient to beat the bejeebus out of my body at the max speeds. 20MPH 36V is all I need or want. Actually, my 36V MAC motors will do 25MPH all day long. Cheaper batteries and more reliable motors IMO and IME. As always YMMV> I'm not judging riders. Darwin will make my point.
 
I just took a guy from Sonoma, who has read everything on the internet for months, on a ride. He has also visited the bike shops for test rides. He was set on 750W. But was blown away by riding a correctly tuned 350 motor. He may end up going the 705W way, yet a good 350 is nice, and is still significantly more powerful than the expensive Euro builds at LBS. Less obtrusive batteries can still have eBike specific high quality BMS and have high quality cells at the same time. Good batteries can also be tidy.
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Just took delivery of the same battery case (I think). 35E 36V 14Ah. All nickel ribbon and upgraded BMS.
 
Just took delivery of the same battery case (I think). 35E 36V 14Ah. All nickel ribbon and upgraded BMS.
When you do it, detach the bottom plate of the battery holder. Solder the leads directly from inside the motor into the holder after removing the battery pigtail. After soldering the motor leads, put a glob of hot glue or gasket sealant on the exposed prongs to prevent any chance of a condensation or moisture short. Eye protection is advised when removing the pigtail, as are leather gloves. Removal makes for spatters. And use a dot of red nail polish on the Plus side of the holder before removing the pigtail.
 
When you do it, detach the bottom plate of the battery holder. Solder the leads directly from inside the motor into the holder after removing the battery pigtail. Put a glob of hot glue or gasket sealant on the exposed prongs to prevent any chance of a condensation or moisture short. Eye protection is advised when removing the pigtail, as are leather gloves. Removal makes for spatters.
I may have more questions. I haven’t deconstructed it yet. Thank you! You’re simply the best kit builder I’ve met. EBR rocks thanks to posters like you!
 
So would you only employ those with 36v motors?
For 36v applications, I would use two 20v cordless tool batteries wired in series. The 60v battery works for most 48 / 52v motors I've tested. On some bikes, like the Pedego's, I have to limit the charge to 90% to avoid an overvolt error.
 
For 36v applications, I would use two 20v cordless tool batteries wired in series. The 60v battery works for most 48 / 52v motors I've tested. On some bikes, like the Pedego's, I have to limit the charge to 90% to avoid an overvolt error.

That's creative thinking! I was wondering how you were getting away with that. -Al
 
Ahh, thank you 6zfshdb.. All way beyond my desired skill level to learn but interesting and incredible to think one could do that. I'm very impressed with those of you that understand electronic components well enough to do various things around ebikes. It seems that would give one a lot of choices.
 
I just took a guy from Sonoma, who has read everything on the internet for months, on a ride. He has also visited the bike shops for test rides. He was set on 750W. But was blown away by riding a correctly tuned 350 motor. He may end up going the 705W way, yet a good 350 is nice, and is still significantly more powerful than the expensive Euro builds at LBS. Less obtrusive batteries can still have eBike specific high quality BMS and have high quality cells at the same time. Good batteries can also be tidy.
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Yep, the 350 watt Ecottric changed my mind, it came with enough controller and a robust enough battery it would assist up the steepest hills without cutting out on the other hand I had a 500 watt and 48-350 watt bikes that would stall on the steep hills it took a good controller to correct them.People have a tendency to get caught up in the "HP" race as Kev Central said" pay more attention to how it performs"( some of them will surprise you) I had a heavy Maxfoot cruiser( good bike) that had a 750 watt Bafang motor, it seemed to "punch above its weight" 85 nm, I found out later the controller was a 25 amp version.
 
Ahh, thank you 6zfshdb.. All way beyond my desired skill level to learn but interesting and incredible to think one could do that. I'm very impressed with those of you that understand electronic components well enough to do various things around ebikes. It seems that would give one a lot of choices.
Yes, just what we need. MORE choices !🤪
 
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