Stefan Mikes
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Anyone has bought a Pinion.MGU e-bike yet? 
Pinion Motor.Gearbox.Unit (MGU)
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Tom@WashDC
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I found his owner's review on Reddit
CinemaPlugins
•6mo ago•Edited 6mo ago
I own one. Bulls vuca sfx 1. pinion 1:12. had it since last Friday. Was a pita at first. Front sprocket was not connected tightly causing all sorts of issues. That Needs a special pinion tool just to tighten it. That Cost me 3 days as it was unridable like that. Other than that, once the initial excitement fades, its still just a bike. Depends what you do with it. I got this as a kind of SUV for day tours eith my wife. Its kinda not really much good at that task tbh. Here in germany, it can only assist up to 25kmh. Above that, the behavior of the mgu is frankly awful. It blocks the peddles like putting the breaks on the motor. Jerky and not nice at all. I wonder why nobody is talking abou this on YouTube. Its totally different to how i.e. a bosch cx behaves without assist. it feels like its broke if assist is off. Kinda regretting it already, as an early adopter. Its kinda not really ridable above 25kmh unless you are rolling downhill. You cant turn the peddles. My suggestion to any potential buyer would be to try it out fully. Rent one or test one for a full day. I did not have that opportunity. If I had such an opportunity, I would not have let myself get carried away by the hype and those youtube videos. Lesson to be learned „try properly before you buy“......i think the hype around pinion MGU is all marketing at this point. Its being pushed real hard right now. Sure, Its pretty good. Its alright, ect. Obviously the package is technically very interesting to any obsessive person(like myself) who has to have the latest + greatest. However in reality, I struggle to keep up with my wife on her ktm bosch cx wich is a couple if years old, and cost less half what my new mgu super wizzbang has cost. The battery is 960w, hers is 750w. Hers is much quieter, smoother, far less flapping around, and way better behaved without assist. The mgu promises much, but frankly it does not really deliver on the hype IMO. On paper and youtube, it all sounds/looks great, but in reality I am struggling to find advantages in actual use. Having said all that, i do think this is the future. but before its gets to the bosch cx level of refinement, they have much work to do, and early adopters like myself are going to be remain somewhat disappointed. I have been here before with other new/fancy tech.
CinemaPlugins
•6mo ago•Edited 6mo ago
I own one. Bulls vuca sfx 1. pinion 1:12. had it since last Friday. Was a pita at first. Front sprocket was not connected tightly causing all sorts of issues. That Needs a special pinion tool just to tighten it. That Cost me 3 days as it was unridable like that. Other than that, once the initial excitement fades, its still just a bike. Depends what you do with it. I got this as a kind of SUV for day tours eith my wife. Its kinda not really much good at that task tbh. Here in germany, it can only assist up to 25kmh. Above that, the behavior of the mgu is frankly awful. It blocks the peddles like putting the breaks on the motor. Jerky and not nice at all. I wonder why nobody is talking abou this on YouTube. Its totally different to how i.e. a bosch cx behaves without assist. it feels like its broke if assist is off. Kinda regretting it already, as an early adopter. Its kinda not really ridable above 25kmh unless you are rolling downhill. You cant turn the peddles. My suggestion to any potential buyer would be to try it out fully. Rent one or test one for a full day. I did not have that opportunity. If I had such an opportunity, I would not have let myself get carried away by the hype and those youtube videos. Lesson to be learned „try properly before you buy“......i think the hype around pinion MGU is all marketing at this point. Its being pushed real hard right now. Sure, Its pretty good. Its alright, ect. Obviously the package is technically very interesting to any obsessive person(like myself) who has to have the latest + greatest. However in reality, I struggle to keep up with my wife on her ktm bosch cx wich is a couple if years old, and cost less half what my new mgu super wizzbang has cost. The battery is 960w, hers is 750w. Hers is much quieter, smoother, far less flapping around, and way better behaved without assist. The mgu promises much, but frankly it does not really deliver on the hype IMO. On paper and youtube, it all sounds/looks great, but in reality I am struggling to find advantages in actual use. Having said all that, i do think this is the future. but before its gets to the bosch cx level of refinement, they have much work to do, and early adopters like myself are going to be remain somewhat disappointed. I have been here before with other new/fancy tech.
Gionnirocket
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Sounds like the main issue is the ridiculous EU 15mph ( 25kmh) restriction 
If they were only allowed to play as adults
If they were only allowed to play as adults
scrambler
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It does not sound right that it would block the pedals when reaching the limit of assist.
I would suggest contacting the vendor and or pinion and press the issue with them, to figure out what is wrong with your bike, rather than assuming it is normal...
I would suggest contacting the vendor and or pinion and press the issue with them, to figure out what is wrong with your bike, rather than assuming it is normal...
Tom@WashDC
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I rented a Bianchi eMTB in Lake Como Italy a few years back. I felt that restriction resitance once I went over 15mph while riding on the main roads. Very irritating.Sounds like the main issue is the ridiculous EU 15mph ( 25kmh) restriction
If they were only allowed to play as adults
Gionnirocket
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Tom@WashDC
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If I lived in Europe, I would tollally have 1,500 Watt ebike, somehow.Must suck to live there.... Though it is my favorite place to visit.
I'd defintely be an Outlaw, and no doubt suffer the fate of an Outlaw. But I would do it. Certainly in a rural mountain setting.
In Lake Como I was with my Brother in Law. He broke his collar bone and smashed his knees walking his ebike about 500 ft from the top of Mt St. Primo. Walking his bike!
Intradrive, another potential MGU manufacturer launched a prototype at Eurobike a couple of years ago and I hadn't heard anymore since but it looks like they have been busy. The fact the motor uses the same frame bolts as the Shimano EP8 raises interesting ideas about longevity of frames after warranty period. Plus they are intending the motor gearbox to be easily repairable. These are sound & positive approaches, early days but I hope they gain a foothold and I'm interested to see what brands they are working with.
singletrackworld.com
Intradrive: UK made gearbox drive unit begins pilot production
With manufacturing based in Scotland, and designed for repairability from the outset, it should tick a few sustainability boxes.
singletrackworld.com
New Vado out. 61lbs €6000 720wh battery, gates carbon drive & not a derailleur in sight. Heavy fast good looking bike for long commutes in all weather & low maintenance.
urbanbike.news
Specialized Turbo Vado S — a fast Speed Pedelec for safer everyday riding and commuting
The Specialized Turbo Vado S adds another model to the tried-and-tested Vado series, which now supports speeds of up to 45 km/h electrically as an S-Pedelec.
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Stefan Mikes
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It is an L1e-B, a 45 km/h Speed Pedelec. Interesting!
How good I already own a Vado 6.0
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How good I already own a Vado 6.0
Turbo Vado S IGH
Model Vado S sprawia, że przejażdżki do sklepu zmieniają się w poważne wyprawy zakupowe. Vado S spełnia marzenia o rowerze miejskim dzięki maksymalnej p...
2 new MGU bikes from Moustache (CLUTCH emtb) & Haibikes (ALLMTN CF 10 Pinion E1.12 MGU) Bit of confusion about the Haibike, it's appearing in bike shop adverts and mentioned in forums but there is little official info so I'm not even sure if it is officially launched yet:
ebike-mtb.com
www.thebikefactory.co.uk
New 2025 Moustache Clutch – A Belt-Driven, Pinion MGU Powered, Alloy E-Mountainbike in Review
On test: the new 2025 Moustache Clutch enduro bike. Can the belt-driven and Pinion MGU equipped e-bike deliver?
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HAIBIKE 2025 ALLMTN CF 10 Pinion E1.12 MGU
HAIBIKE 2025 ALLMTN CF 10 Pinion E1.12 MGU GLOSS MIDNIGHT BLUE/GREY £7799.00
kevinmccune
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big bubba is keeping you safe(not!) interesting I guess now they can use "regen" to keep you under 15 mph over hill and Dale,am I reading that right?
The haibike AllMtn CF TRN/IQ with Pinion MGU is finally officially released. First started seeing mentions in forums back in Jan & pictures from online bike shops in Poland & U.K. but with no ordering details/release info strangely, but nothing at all on the Haibike website. So here it finally is with a full carbon frame manufactured in Portugal keeping the weight down to under 25kg with 800wh battery.
ebike-mtb.com
First Ride Review: 2025 Haibike AllMtn CF 11 TRN/IQ – New eMTB with Pinion MGU Put on Test
Haibike AllMtn CF 11 TRN/IQ 2025 first test – German Engineering and Pinion MGU E1.12 for more Trail Power.
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Interesting in this tariff mad world, that from what I can see most components on that Haibike are made in Europe or US.
Nothing from China other than the dropper which is also HQ in Germany so might be made there.
Don't know if that is deliberate due to current situation, or just Haibike's usual business method but it shows it can be done and at a competitive price.
Though I don't know if Magura and the rest actually manufacture the parts in a factory in Germany or just HQ office there **Actually just looked them up yes Magura brakes are made in Germany, DT Swiss wheels are built in either Poland or Taiwan. Continental make tyres mainly in Germany, China or India.
Interesting.
Carbon Frame - Portugal
Forks & rear shock - Colorado (Rockshox)
Wheels - Switzerland (DT Swiss)
Tyres - Germany (Continental)
Brakes - Germany (Magura)
Motor & Battery - Germany (Pinion)
Belt - Colorado (Gates)
Pedals, grips - Germany (XLC)
Saddle - Italy (Sella Italia)
Dropper - Taiwan & Germany (Limotec)
Handlebar & stem - Germany (Haibike in house)
Nothing from China other than the dropper which is also HQ in Germany so might be made there.
Don't know if that is deliberate due to current situation, or just Haibike's usual business method but it shows it can be done and at a competitive price.
Though I don't know if Magura and the rest actually manufacture the parts in a factory in Germany or just HQ office there **Actually just looked them up yes Magura brakes are made in Germany, DT Swiss wheels are built in either Poland or Taiwan. Continental make tyres mainly in Germany, China or India.
Interesting.
Carbon Frame - Portugal
Forks & rear shock - Colorado (Rockshox)
Wheels - Switzerland (DT Swiss)
Tyres - Germany (Continental)
Brakes - Germany (Magura)
Motor & Battery - Germany (Pinion)
Belt - Colorado (Gates)
Pedals, grips - Germany (XLC)
Saddle - Italy (Sella Italia)
Dropper - Taiwan & Germany (Limotec)
Handlebar & stem - Germany (Haibike in house)
Stefan Mikes
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Mr. Coffee
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I think people need to realize there is a difference between mainland China and Taiwan.
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