Peter Flax article for Bicycling.com about the challenges presented by DTC ebikes

Imagine a world where RAD could stand up in court and cross examine the parents, then perhaps even seek compensation for the bullying / public shaming / stress of this process. Sadly, our insurance companies decide it's less risky to settle out of court
I'm imagining that world. It's one where Rad continues to pump out hundreds of thousands of bikes with dysfunctional underpowered brakes and marketing them to novices completely unequipped to maintain them safely. And other companies take note and adopt a similar tack.
 
I'm imagining that world. It's one where Rad continues to pump out hundreds of thousands of bikes with dysfunctional underpowered brakes and marketing them to novices completely unequipped to maintain them safely. And other companies take note and adopt a similar tack.
Been riding Rad bikes for three years now and I didn't find the brakes dysfunctional or underpowered unless they were either worn out or out of adjustment. If one does not maintain a tool then one should not complain when the tool doesn't work the way you like.
 
Been riding Rad bikes for three years now and I didn't find the brakes dysfunctional or underpowered unless they were either worn out or out of adjustment. If one does not maintain a tool then one should not complain when the tool doesn't work the way you like.
The author reports ubiquitous problems with Rad brakes rapidly going out of alignment. Plus bike shop(s) telling him the same thing. That's a much bigger sample than one person, i.e. you.

"Roughly a month after my younger son got his RadRunner, he mentioned that the brakes weren’t working so well. I went out to the garage and discovered that I could easily squeeze both brake levers all the way to the handlebar grips—meaning the brakes weren’t working at all. But I know that the cables on new bikes can stretch, so I did some googling and watched a couple of very useful YouTube maintenance videos that Rad Power had produced. Then I made a few adjustments to get the disc brakes back in seemingly perfect working order. But a couple of weeks later, I saw my son dragging his sneakers on the ground to help stop the bike and found that the brakes were once again useless.

Thus began a regular cadence of brake repair. I make a point of inspecting and adjusting my kids’ brakes every two or three weeks. In two years I have purchased more than 10 sets of brake pads. I bought and installed Kevlar pads, which are more durable, and I also brought the bikes into a few shops to see if their mechanics could address the issue better than I could. (Neither effort fixed the problem.) Perhaps because I’m an experienced bike rider, I felt a great deal of concern about the situation, knowing that I live in a community with steep hills and busy streets and worrying about my kids being suddenly confronted with a braking failure.

Then I started talking to my neighbors. During the pandemic, hundreds of teenagers in my community took to the streets on RadRunners and other inexpensive DTC e-bikes with mechanical disc brakes, and I discovered that many of them were having similar issues. Some parents were clued into the problem and were either scheduling regular maintenance with local shops or learning how to make the fixes at home, while others had no idea that their kids were riding heavy electric bikes that couldn’t stop properly without frequent maintenance. I started a thread on Nextdoor with a summary of the problem and how to address it, and soon I was DMing with parents who wanted tips on barrel and caliper adjustments.

One of my neighbors—his name is Ezra Holland and he lives about five blocks from me—says that almost immediately he started noticing disturbing braking issues with the RadRunner he purchased early in 2022. Two or three weeks after he got it, Holland, an experienced road cyclist, noticed that the responsiveness of the brakes was poor, and he decided to remedy the problem by tightening the cables that run from the levers to the calipers. But he learned that this only bought him a few weeks, and that after tightening those cables a few times, one of the calipers clicked into a different position where there was zero braking action. “That is pretty scary,” he says.

Thus began a year of education, vigilance, maintenance, and communication with Rad. Holland now buys pads in bulk on Amazon; he checks and adjusts both calipers every two weeks, always on alert for a failure. He’s experienced the rear brake fail going downhill and is especially concerned about that happening while his 17-year-old is using the bike. Rad has sent him new brakes and new pads, but Holland says that in his ongoing phone calls with the brand, customer service reps and supervisors have told him that other customers aren’t experiencing braking issues like he has. But he alone knows a half dozen friends and neighbors struggling with the same problems. “I just got to a point where I started questioning my own thinking, because they keep saying I’m wrong,” he says. “I start thinking that maybe I’m just making a fuss here for no reason. Which I think is not fair, because I think it’s not true.”

Holland says that in his most recent exchange with Rad customer service, the rep emailed him that it is “not uncommon” for owners to adjust their brakes “every couple of hundred miles or so.” Which in his case would be every few weeks. “That’s totally unreasonable,” he says, adding that the same rep urged him not to explore swapping out the mechanical disc brakes on the bike for hydraulic brakes for safety reasons. “I found that hilarious.”
 
FFS buy an OEM eBike that makes YOU the LBS and then turn around and shirk your responsibility and now it's a societal problem. Solved in courts at public expense, all because you lazy asshats couldn't be bothered or lacked the ability to maintain your eBike.

I hope RAD sees a publically posted email intended for someone else reposted all over the internet written by some shop dweeb in Minnesnowta. Jeeez people Rod Serling, The Twilight Zone, ought to pop up any moment.

"There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity.
 
Honest question: If the brakes need constant adjustment, what is causing it? There has to be a mechanical reason for it other than it's a cheap piece of chinese junk.
 
The author reports ubiquitous problems with Rad brakes rapidly going out of alignment. Plus bike shop(s) telling him the same thing. That's a much bigger sample than one person, i.e. you.

"Roughly a month after my younger son got his RadRunner, he mentioned that the brakes weren’t working so well. I went out to the garage and discovered that I could easily squeeze both brake levers all the way to the handlebar grips—meaning the brakes weren’t working at all. But I know that the cables on new bikes can stretch, so I did some googling and watched a couple of very useful YouTube maintenance videos that Rad Power had produced. Then I made a few adjustments to get the disc brakes back in seemingly perfect working order. But a couple of weeks later, I saw my son dragging his sneakers on the ground to help stop the bike and found that the brakes were once again useless.

Thus began a regular cadence of brake repair. I make a point of inspecting and adjusting my kids’ brakes every two or three weeks. In two years I have purchased more than 10 sets of brake pads. I bought and installed Kevlar pads, which are more durable, and I also brought the bikes into a few shops to see if their mechanics could address the issue better than I could. (Neither effort fixed the problem.) Perhaps because I’m an experienced bike rider, I felt a great deal of concern about the situation, knowing that I live in a community with steep hills and busy streets and worrying about my kids being suddenly confronted with a braking failure.

Then I started talking to my neighbors. During the pandemic, hundreds of teenagers in my community took to the streets on RadRunners and other inexpensive DTC e-bikes with mechanical disc brakes, and I discovered that many of them were having similar issues. Some parents were clued into the problem and were either scheduling regular maintenance with local shops or learning how to make the fixes at home, while others had no idea that their kids were riding heavy electric bikes that couldn’t stop properly without frequent maintenance. I started a thread on Nextdoor with a summary of the problem and how to address it, and soon I was DMing with parents who wanted tips on barrel and caliper adjustments.

One of my neighbors—his name is Ezra Holland and he lives about five blocks from me—says that almost immediately he started noticing disturbing braking issues with the RadRunner he purchased early in 2022. Two or three weeks after he got it, Holland, an experienced road cyclist, noticed that the responsiveness of the brakes was poor, and he decided to remedy the problem by tightening the cables that run from the levers to the calipers. But he learned that this only bought him a few weeks, and that after tightening those cables a few times, one of the calipers clicked into a different position where there was zero braking action. “That is pretty scary,” he says.

Thus began a year of education, vigilance, maintenance, and communication with Rad. Holland now buys pads in bulk on Amazon; he checks and adjusts both calipers every two weeks, always on alert for a failure. He’s experienced the rear brake fail going downhill and is especially concerned about that happening while his 17-year-old is using the bike. Rad has sent him new brakes and new pads, but Holland says that in his ongoing phone calls with the brand, customer service reps and supervisors have told him that other customers aren’t experiencing braking issues like he has. But he alone knows a half dozen friends and neighbors struggling with the same problems. “I just got to a point where I started questioning my own thinking, because they keep saying I’m wrong,” he says. “I start thinking that maybe I’m just making a fuss here for no reason. Which I think is not fair, because I think it’s not true.”

Holland says that in his most recent exchange with Rad customer service, the rep emailed him that it is “not uncommon” for owners to adjust their brakes “every couple of hundred miles or so.” Which in his case would be every few weeks. “That’s totally unreasonable,” he says, adding that the same rep urged him not to explore swapping out the mechanical disc brakes on the bike for hydraulic brakes for safety reasons. “I found that hilarious.”
Then again one can spend I think around $40 on Amazon and buy a couple of hydraulic calipers that are cable actuated if they don't wish to adjust so often. They work better anyway and don't require much skill to install. I'll admit I got tired of adjusting the stock brakes even though it just takes a couple of minutes to do and switched to hydraulic calipers on one of my Rads. Haven't had to adjust them since.
 
Then again one can spend I think around $40 on Amazon and buy a couple of hydraulic calipers that are cable actuated if they don't wish to adjust so often. They work better anyway and don't require much skill to install. I'll admit I got tired of adjusting the stock brakes even though it just takes a couple of minutes to do and switched to hydraulic calipers on one of my Rads. Haven't had to adjust them since.
Link please?
 
Then again one can spend I think around $40 on Amazon and buy a couple of hydraulic calipers that are cable actuated if they don't wish to adjust so often. They work better anyway and don't require much skill to install. I'll admit I got tired of adjusting the stock brakes even though it just takes a couple of minutes to do and switched to hydraulic calipers on one of my Rads. Haven't had to adjust them since.
Wanted to correct an error. I replaced the calipers with the hydraulic not because I was tired of making adjustments but because my front caliper had worn out and was no longer working and decided to upgrade rather than replace.
 
Then again one can spend I think around $40 on Amazon and buy a couple of hydraulic calipers that are cable actuated if they don't wish to adjust so often. They work better anyway and don't require much skill to install.
In the article, Flax says Rad specifically, and inexplicably, recommends against that.

High maintenance parts might be understandable if you're Luna Cycles selling to enthusiasts, but Rad's whole pitch is to noobs wanting a carefree experience. That's a manufactured human disaster, as Flax describes apart from Steinsapir.
 
In the article, Flax says Rad specifically, and inexplicably, recommends against that.

High maintenance parts might be understandable if you're Luna Cycles selling to enthusiasts, but Rad's whole pitch is to noobs wanting a carefree experience. That's a manufactured human disaster, as Flax describes apart from Steinsapir.
So now all that's needed is to figure out if Rad really said that or did Flax get it wrong as it doesn't make much sense to me that they would object to a better caliper being used on their bikes. Bolten's how to video on these calipers uses a Rad bike as their example.
 
The Zoom HB1000 cable actuated calipers are $25/wheel and work great til they don't. Knowing that is their reputation, I only installed one on each of two bikes. One failed after about 1000 miles. I didn't do a failure analysis. Probaby leaked. The other only has a few hundred miles
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What works well for me are Shimano MT200's. Hydraulic caliper with brake hose and lever, It's their low end model at $70 from amazon (less from aliexpress) for two wheels, but I have to add my own brake switches.
 
So now all that's needed is to figure out if Rad really said that or did Flax get it wrong as it doesn't make much sense to me that they would object to a better caliper being used on their bikes. Bolten's how to video on these calipers uses a Rad bike as their example.
Rad reps were probably told to shill the original specs as replacement parts, with no 'editorializing' allowed. Customer service can be extremely scripted and some of it is bound to be stupid (the official advice, that is).
 
Rad reps were probably told to shill the original specs as replacement parts, with no 'editorializing' allowed. Customer service can be extremely scripted and some of it is bound to be stupid (the official advice, that is).
I don't think so as calipers are not even listed on their brake parts page.
 
Hope everyone knows that a correctly designed QR won't hit the disc brake when it fully open. In fact, my front one still can't come out with the lever in full open position. I have to pull the safety on other side. yet if you know how use it correctly you can quickly remove it. I have it on my 2020 Stance E2 and it is perfectly safe for true mountain biking.
 

Meanwhile, at any other bike shop in the world, bikes come in with poorly adjusted cable actuated rim brakes, or even hydraulic brakes that are poorly aligned and the lever can touch the bars.

Owner stupidity is not isolated to Rad , but there might be a statistically significant trend. Kt's called selection bias of people who consider a " cheap" direct to consumer bike a bargain....
 
Everything we've heard about problems with the girl's bike is speculative. What we know is these were kids zooming down a 0.3 mile stretch of street with a 14% sustained grade. Maybe there were problems with the bike, but we don't know that. 11 or 12 year old kids on a bike on a hill like that is all you need to spell disaster. The parent's could sue the road department for paving such a dangerous slope, or they could sue the Earth for having a hill like that. Of course, they live on top of that hill because it's prime real estate. The Pacific Palisades isn't a skid row. The parents chose to live there and let their kids do whatever they wanted without supervision. Another recipe for disaster.

You can put Rad down all you want, but this would have been, at least arguably, just about as likely to happen on the hypothetical $20k bike I brought up earlier.

The road department almost certainly has immunity from being sued. Suing the Earth would be silly, of course. Rad has deep pockets. It's just about the only choice for an economic recovery, and, maybe cynically, a big part of what this is about is cashing in on the girl's life.

I guess in a society where everybody sues everybody, maybe it's legally necessary to tell people that bikes are complex mechanical devices that need regular inspections and maintenance to operate safely That's how I deal with my 4.5 year old Rad Rover and I haven't had anything but normal, expected, maintenance issues. I've had a lot of fun with it and expect to have a lot more. The price point was a consideration for me but not a big one. It's the right bike for me at this time and I have no regrets choosing it.

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Everything we've heard about problems with the girl's bike is speculative. What we know is these were kids zooming down a 0.3 mile stretch of street with a 14% sustained grade. Maybe there were problems with the bike, but we don't know that. 11 or 12 year old kids on a bike on a hill like that is all you need to spell disaster. The parent's could sue the road department for paving such a dangerous slope, or they could sue the Earth for having a hill like that. Of course, they live on top of that hill because it's prime real estate. The Pacific Palisades isn't a skid row. The parents chose to live there and let their kids do whatever they wanted without supervision. Another recipe for disaster.

You can put Rad down all you want, but this would have been, at least arguably, just about as likely to happen on the hypothetical $20k bike I brought up earlier.

The road department almost certainly has immunity from being sued. Suing the Earth would be silly, of course. Rad has deep pockets. It's just about the only choice for an economic recovery, and, maybe cynically, a big part of what this is about is cashing in on the girl's life.

I guess in a society where everybody sues everybody, maybe it's legally necessary to tell people that bikes are complex mechanical devices that need regular inspections and maintenance to operate safely That's how I deal with my 4.5 year old Rad Rover and I haven't had anything but normal, expected, maintenance issues. I've had a lot of fun with it and expect to have a lot more. The price point was a consideration for me but not a big one. It's the right bike for me at this time and I have no regrets choosing it.

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Your argument is a) we'd don't know how the girl who died and b) I haven't had problems, therefore there aren't problems.

B) is nice for you but contrary to what many others are reporting. And a) is correct but ultimately not that relevant, compared to the experiences of others, as Flax has documented.

This is bigger than one crash, but making it about just one crash makes it easier for Rad and it's defenders to claim they did nothing wrong.
 
My tall green white tusked friend's post up there reminded me of something I did when I was about 11yrs old. My first bike after a Trike was a 1970's banana seat special with the monkey swinger handle bars and a coaster brake. I rode that thing everywhere. I never had a crash on it over the years that I rode it before I got my first 10speed.

My family and I were visiting my grandparents in Altoona. We went bike riding at the school up the street on m cousin's bikes. I was riding a 10 speed with handbrakes, something I had never seen before. No one even told me they were the brakes, but my dad told me to jump on it and we'd ride up to the school. I had no problem riding it, it was just a little bigger than my other bike.

We got to the school and the parking lot was a steep downhill to a flat part where it turned to the left. The edge like a ramp over the top of the hill and then dirt downhill to the ball fields. I went down that hill and quickly realized it didn't have a coaster brake. It happened so fast, I never gave a thought about the levers on the handle bars. I hit that "ramp" and unfortunately was lined up with concrete stairs. I made it down 3 before crashing. My dad came down and carried me back to my grandparents. I was bloody from a couple of areas, but not terribly injured. I guess I was a little lucky.

Kids and sometimes parents do stupid things.
 
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