No throttle and no way home today... :(

[PedalUma]

Of course there is no such thing a 'class 4.' But not according to these folks.

⚡ High-Power (Class 4) Electric Bike List [2022 Guide]

Class 4 e-bikes go faster than 28mph and have 751W+ motors

ebikesx.com

 

[Rexlion]

Nice to know that we all have classy rides!

 

[PedalUma]

Nice to know that we all have classy rides!

The first one is something like 168 pounds! The love the trash bag twisty. Putting the big lump of battery here is placed to serve for population control. And, this backyard pit bull breeder has a knack for wire management! Check out the final classy bike, simply elegant.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Modifications done by anyone able to watch YouTube are

illegal.

 

[Vewlix]

My eldest son loved my ebike so much he ordered a bafang kit for his bicycle. He put it straight on his bike and rushed over to my house and we went through all the countryside exploring trails we would never be able to on a regular bicycle.

While at the top of the a hill 11 miles away his crank arm came off as in his excitement he hadn’t torqued it down correctly.

Luckily he had an “illegal” throttle and we zoomed all the way back home past all the Lycra clad cyclists sweating away in the heat.

You would have to be crazy to not have one as it helps you out of trouble as in this situation and when starting steep inclines in a high gear or stopped at the lights.

Also worth putting a jetboil in a pannier along with some bacon or other food items as it’s great to stop in the forest and cook up some tasty food and be on your way again.

 

[mikeschn]

Also worth putting a jetboil in a pannier along with some bacon or other food items as it’s great to stop in the forest and cook up some tasty food and be on your way again.

That I need to see a picture of!

 

[Stefan Mikes]

bafang kit

This.
A manufactured e-bike and a falling off crank arm do not often come in pairs. What if a crank arm fell off a traditional bike? Ideas for "a throttle" there?

 

[tomjasz]

“illegal”

Wow, you live in a nanny state. I dread the ridiculous class system coming to Minnesota. I’m disappointed in the high dpeed bikes with pedals skirting state statutes. For now we can have 750W motors here and no rules on throttles.

 

[tomjasz]

This.
A manufactured e-bike and a falling off crank arm do not often come in pairs. What if a crank arm fell off a traditional bike? Ideas for "a throttle" there?

“What if” isn’t relevant. It wasn’t a traditional bike. And has such has no relevance in this discussion.

 

[tomjasz]

This.
A manufactured e-bike and a falling off crank arm do not often come in pairs. What if a crank arm fell off a traditional bike? Ideas for "a throttle" there?

I’m not sure i understand. But I’ve known shops and acoustic bike owners to not properly torque a crank arm screw. Making some newer vrank atm attachments desirable.

 

[mikeschn]

There's no Class 4, but like this article says, some people like to refer to them as Class 4.

I also found it interesting that some bikes are designed to switch in between classes! That would make @Gionnirocket's pile of stickers appropriate! Ha!

What Class Is My Ebike and Why Does It Matter? – Pedal With Power

pedalwithpower.com

 

[Djangodog]

My eldest son loved my ebike so much he ordered a bafang kit for his bicycle. He put it straight on his bike and rushed over to my house and we went through all the countryside exploring trails we would never be able to on a regular bicycle.

While at the top of the a hill 11 miles away his crank arm came off as in his excitement he hadn’t torqued it down correctly.

Luckily he had an “illegal” throttle and we zoomed all the way back home past all the Lycra clad cyclists sweating away in the heat.

You would have to be crazy to not have one as it helps you out of trouble as in this situation and when starting steep inclines in a high gear or stopped at the lights.

Also worth putting a jetboil in a pannier along with some bacon or other food items as it’s great to stop in the forest and cook up some tasty food and be on your way again.

I guess that I am crazy then. I have ridden unassisted centuries and many thousands of miles on traditional road and mountain bikes and somehow I have always managed to get home under my own power. Amazingly, I have ridden bikes for sixty years and been a serious cyclist for more than forty and never needed a throttle.

I prefer to keep my e-bike as bicycle like as possible and rarely use any assist higher than eco. I won’t fault or attack anyone that uses a throttle responsibility and where it is allowed, but for me, and this is a personal thing, a bike with a throttle just becomes an e-moped, and I have no need or desire to ride one.

 

[tomjasz]

I guess that I am crazy then. I have ridden unassisted centuries and many thousands of miles on traditional road and mountain bikes and somehow I have always managed to get home under my own power. Amazingly, I have ridden bikes for sixty years and been a serious cyclist for more than forty and never needed a throttle.

I prefer to keep my e-bike as bicycle like as possible and rarely use any assist higher than eco. I won’t fault or attack anyone that uses a throttle responsibility and where it is allowed, but for me, and this is a personal thing, a bike with a throttle just becomes an e-moped, and I have no need or desire to ride one.

If only everyone was as able.

 

[Djangodog]

If only everyone was as able.

Sorry, but my response was in regard to:

“You would have to be crazy to not have one as it helps you out of trouble as in this situation and when starting steep inclines in a high gear or stopped at the lights.”

Having a throttle is a personal choice. Riding a bike with assistance is a personal choice. I stated the reason for my choice. Another reason is that my class 1 can legally go anywhere that a traditional bike can.

I spent months in a wheelchair and more than a year using a walker and crutches. I lost 30 mm of my left leg and it took six surgeries to keep it. The injury to my spine required two surgeries and I have chronic pain, so I do understand something about adversity and disability, but I still choose to ride a class 1 and can sympathize with anyone that needs a throttle. I also understand that I was and am very fortunate.

My injuries were caused by a head on motorcycle accident 14 years ago when I was 52. I literally had injuries from head to toe. I have limitations that include loss of mobility to both ankles, (I have approximately 30% of the normal range of movement in both ankles). I was a serious road cyclist at the time of the accident and I used cycling to rehab as well. I was back on a traditional bike before I could walk. I had to stay seated and I was quite slow at first, but fourteen months later, I rode the Prouty Century Ride to fight cancer.

Being a cyclist was probably a big part of my survival and definitely a big part of my recovery. My point is that I am not a callous or elite athlete. At 66, and being in chronic pain, I understand physical limitations, but strangely, I am at my best when riding. I still ride my traditional road bike, but the e-bike is becoming my preferred bike. I am not faulting anyone that wants or need a throttle. I am simply stating why I do not, (and some day, I may need one).

 

[AHicks]

illegal.

And you know that because so many have been prosecuted for doing that, right?

 

[AHicks]

This.
A manufactured e-bike and a falling off crank arm do not often come in pairs. What if a crank arm fell off a traditional bike? Ideas for "a throttle" there?

A rookie builder on his first run. You would think that maybe people could cut him a little slack?

 

[AHicks]

I guess that I am crazy then. I have ridden unassisted centuries and many thousands of miles on traditional road and mountain bikes and somehow I have always managed to get home under my own power. Amazingly, I have ridden bikes for sixty years and been a serious cyclist for more than forty and never needed a throttle.

I prefer to keep my e-bike as bicycle like as possible and rarely use any assist higher than eco. I won’t fault or attack anyone that uses a throttle responsibility and where it is allowed, but for me, and this is a personal thing, a bike with a throttle just becomes an e-moped, and I have no need or desire to ride one.

You're a hero. I'm sure AAA loves you.

Thing is, this isn't about just you. Nobody is twisting your arm to install or use a throttle, or use higher levels of assist. I know you get that, so why the constant naysaying regarding the potential in your notes? Let people decide for themselves and move on....

 

[Djangodog]

You're a hero. I'm sure AAA loves you.

Thing is, this isn't about just you. Nobody is twisting your arm to install or use a throttle, or use higher levels of assist. I know you get that, so why the constant naysaying regarding the potential in your notes? Let people decide for themselves and move on....

If you are going to quote me, please include my entire post. I never said that it was about me. I stated very clearly that this was my perspective, (maybe you missed that). I stated my preference and my reasons. I wasn’t the one that said that people on the other side of the issue would have to be “crazy” to feel as they do. I was also explaining that I understand disability and using my personal journey to explain my position. I wouldn’t want to be your “hero”, and I am not trying to convince anyone that they shouldn’t have a throttle. I’m sorry that my journey through my recovery, such as it is, offends you.

I always felt bad for someone in a wheelchair, until I ended up in a wheelchair and realized that the wheelchair gave me freedom that I didn’t have on a hospital bed. Then the walker was another great leap forward, then crutches were even better. I realized that it was just a matter of perspective. When I went from the hospital to rehab, they asked me what my long term goal was. I told them that I hoped to keep my leg, to be able to piss without a catheter and that I could walk my dog again, (all of that was in doubt and a long way off). That was coming from a very active and adventurous way of life. My recovery will always be far short of where I was before the accident, (but I am grateful for what I have), and it will further limit me moving forward. If someone has a physical limitation that means that they need the help of a throttle to get out and enjoy life, then I am happy that they now have that opportunity. Until the time comes where I feel that I might need one, I will remain “crazy”, because that is the way that “I” like it. Others feel differently, and that is of course up to them.

Many years ago, I was debating the virtues of certain types of hang gliding harnesses with a friend. It was a friendly conversation, but it had no resolution. My friend’s girlfriend said to us, “If everyone loved Roses, what would a Daisy do?”. Debate resolved. I even wrote her quote down in my log book that day. I love that quote and I think that it applies here as well. How about this, I’ll keep my Daisy, and you keep your Rose. Just, please don’t ride your Rose through the Daisies only garden.

 

[AHicks]

If you are going to quote me, please include my entire post. I never said that it was about me. I stated very clearly that this was my perspective, (maybe you missed that). I stated my preference and my reasons. I wasn’t the one that said that people on the other side of the issue would have to be “crazy” to feel as they do. I was also explaining that I understand disability and using my personal journey to explain my position. I wouldn’t want to be your “hero”, and I am not trying to convince anyone that they shouldn’t have a throttle. I’m sorry that my journey through my recovery, such as it is, offends you.

I always felt bad for someone in a wheelchair, until I ended up in a wheelchair and realized that the wheelchair gave me freedom that I didn’t have on a hospital bed. Then the walker was another great leap forward, then crutches were even better. I realized that it was just a matter of perspective. When I went from the hospital to rehab, they asked me what my long term goal was. I told them that I hoped to keep my leg, to be able to piss without a catheter and that I could walk my dog again, (all of that was in doubt and a long way off). That was coming from a very active and adventurous way of life. My recovery will always be far short of where I was before the accident, (but I am grateful for what I have), and it will further limit me moving forward. If someone has a physical limitation that means that they need the help of a throttle to get out and enjoy life, then I am happy that they now have that opportunity. Until the time comes where I feel that I might need one, I will remain “crazy”, because that is the way that “I” like it. Others feel differently, and that is of course up to them.

I was debating the virtues of certain types of hang gliding harnesses with a friend. It was a friendly conversation, but it had no resolution. My friend’s girlfriend said to us, “If everyone loved Roses, what would a Daisy do?”. Debate resolved. I even wrote her quote down in my log book that day. I love that quote and I think that it applies here as well. How about this, I’ll keep my Daisy, and you keep your Rose. Just, please don’t ride your Rose through the Daisies only garden.

On the bold, please review. I did quote your entire note. Please have the courtesy to read prior to criticizing.

"If everyone loved Roses, what would a Daisy do?" is a wonderful quote. I like it too! It's also the point I was trying to make above.

I will generally make my side of the throttle point with conversations having to do with a rookie purchase of an e-bike. From there, which way they go is none of my business. I'm good with the fact they're out riding, or about to be.

I would also be an advocate of getting people off their butt onto an e-bike as well. If having a throttle give them the confidence to do that, then so be it. MANY have no idea you can get bikes either way! It's at this point often somebody will bring up the class laws. You already know my thoughts there. There's a good chance that's going to lead to a conversation about throttles. That's the one where I struggle to back down. The thought of class 1 only trails makes me nuts, especially knowing full well nobody else gives a damn what you're on 99.99% of the time. A potential new bike owner doesn't know that....

 

[PedalUma]

The first thing a physical therapist does is puts you on a bike.