Need Software Support on my 2017 BULLS Bike...Resolution Found.

[LimboJim]

From what I have read about history of mountain bikes and their fight to gain access to basically hiking trails, it shouldn't come as a surprise that mountain bikers will distance themselves from ebikes-regardless of wattage, power, disabled ebiker, etc. For good reason.
General public and those who spend much time hiking could care less about the subtle differences us fanatics may see as night and day.
Is it powered? Yes, but only…… STOP! Hiker or general public or mountain biker doesn't care about pedal assist. And for the good of most- the ebiker needs to accept that and ebike where the dirt bikes go. In socal, if you want to ride a dirt bike you go to the desert or Gorman.
Gorman is a state ran dirt bike park with thousands of acres that a ebike could safely coexist and possibly not even see a dozen dirt bikes all day. The mountain bikers can usually do it in almost their backyards(but they have to use pedal power.;/)
There are no gains to be had by general public.
Street ebiking, especially for transportation, the general public can easily be sold on- for every ebike= 1 less car. Eventual goal to create bike paths and everyone is a winner. I suppose with enough emtbs- the goal should be ebike trails- like skateparks, I guess.
BLM land is another possibility " this land is our land, this land is your land" where pretty much anything goes. Maybe there is some of that closer than you know- check it out.

I appreciate your perspective, but will counter that MTBers fought for hiking trail access in the early days, but have since built many, many more trails that often weave between those old trails. As a general rule, I've always steered clear of popular hiking trails, even before eMTBs came into my realm.

Dirt bike/motocross trails near me are usually in "open" areas where trees are sparse, and I very much prefer to ride in the shade. There's very little cardio exertion involved with dirt biking, but I sweat a LOT on my eMTBs - sun exposure won't work for me. Add to that the speed of motos far exceeds that of my eMTBs - I'd be scared sh*tless to ride among them!

So I ride my local singletrack off-peak (weekdays), and except for the rare MTBers that ride at those times, no one's the wiser because I ride responsibly and my bike does no more damage than unassisted bikes. I happen to live next to a State Park with maybe 75-100 miles of trails (roughly half of which are singletrack built by MTBers), and the Head Ranger's fully aware that I'm out there riding pedal assist. As long as no one complains, he says, "Ride ON!"

 

[fxr3]

I also just purchased a Bulls Evo Stream FS 2 Plus. This is my 2nd e-bike. I have to agree with John F here. For something like an expensive e-bike, it's in the customer's best interest to buy from a local dealer who can service the bike. The software update just barely came out, so I don't see how it is fair to criticize Bulls. It sounded like they were trying to make it right for the buyer. I want to see e-bikes and all the manufacturers and local dealers flourish. It's better for everyone. I bought my e-bike from Great Western E-Bikes in North Salt Lake, Utah. The customer service has been fantastic. The Bulls bike doesn't have quite the same power of my other e-bike, but I can still make it up all of the steep hills, and I get 3 times the range, which is so much better for peace of mind while riding. This is a high quality bike. So far I love it and would encourage anyone to buy from a local dealer.

Everyone would perfer to buy from local dealer. But depending on ones abilitys and past experiences- a case could be made to buy from afar. Examples: you don't like local dealer and he wasn't much support last time around. Volume dealers discounts are tempting, In Bulls case, they don't discourage it- for sure. Me- 400 miles away from Bulls dealer, I'll buy from my friend 900 miles away. And feel good about giving him the sale.

 

[fxr3]

I appreciate your perspective, but will counter that MTBers fought for hiking trail access in the early days, but have since built many, many more trails that often weave between those old trails. As a general rule, I've always steered clear of popular hiking trails, even before eMTBs came into my realm.

Dirt bike/motocross trails near me are usually in "open" areas where trees are sparse, and I very much prefer to ride in the shade. There's very little cardio exertion involved with dirt biking, but I sweat a LOT on my eMTBs - sun exposure won't work for me. Add to that the speed of motos far exceeds that of my eMTBs - I'd be scared sh*tless to ride among them!

So I ride my local singletrack off-peak (weekdays), and except for the rare MTBers that ride at those times, no one's the wiser because I ride responsibly and my bike does no more damage than unassisted bikes. I happen to live next to a State Park with maybe 75-100 miles of trails (roughly half of which are singletrack built by MTBers), and the Head Ranger's fully aware that I'm out there riding pedal assist. As long as no one complains, he says, "Ride ON!"

I'm 100% with ya! Let your conscious be your guide. You seem like a reasonable guy, and I doubt your harming anything. I have CHF, so empathetic that way. As a group, you can't blame them for not "allowing" ebikes.
I meant ebikers have to face the fact that they likely will not be allowed on some MTV trails.
And, dirt bikes can give you plenty of cardio, etc...... depending on how you ride em!

 

[fxr3]

Could be. But, personally, maybe annaly too, I've opened that app almost daily since April 1st to read what they say about motors. All they had to do was mention issue was to be late, that would have sufficed. I'm still looking forward to it. Lol

Convienently, the day after I bitched about it pubically on their Facebook page, issue 10 is on the app. I'm enjoying the anticipation as it downloads on my iPad.

 

[bob armani]

Convienently, the day after I bitched about it pubically on their Facebook page, issue 10 is on the app. I'm enjoying the anticipation as it downloads on my iPad.

Fxr3-Someone one over at the mag heard your cries for help! LOL Good job. Now we can get more concrete data on this issue! I am sure more posts to come with this issue...

E-MOUNTAINBIKE #010 is here - check it out now!
The Highlights of This Issue:
E-MTBs for less than € 5,000 on Test

• The best tips for more battery range
• Kids + E-Mountainbikes = FUN!
• Motor comparison – 6 systems on test

 

[fxr3]

Even though they were a bit tardy, it's a great magazine and I appreciate it.

 

[bob armani]

I stand corrected! I don't think they admitted to less power to attain those results. And don't really think they have noticeably less power, imo. They are for sure silky smooth, quiet and low key and still my choice of mid-drives. Firmware hops em up a bit- aaaawwwwwwww. Sweet

fxr3-You are brilliant with your statement 'Firmware hops em up a bit' That is exactly the results Goodair received after his firmware upgrade! Thanks to everyone on this thread for being extremely informative regarding this issue.