Mid drive ?

Grin EZee, and Bafang 310 fit the bill. But mid drives rule the hills.
Oh that's cool, do you know what bikes those Hub Motors are offered on?

Yeah I just think that a schwabe 2.4 or 2.8 in G1 Tire is going to offer less rolling resistance, and have way more cushion and traction than most 1.8 in tires

They're Probably lighter too! So not sure why most comfort, hybrid style e-bikes wouldn't be designed to fit them
 
Can someone talk about riding a mid drive with a throttle, and the experience of it? Especially compared to a hub motor with the throttle
Legs are your throttle with mid-drive motors. Pedal lightly or slowly = ride slowly; pedal stronger or faster = ride faster.
 
Sorry, I’m a builder. I like my “old friends” best.
Nice! So you just fix up your old bikes. How much lighter are the new Hub Motors?

I have the original Juiced cross-current. I doubt the new ones are that much lighter. Do you have any specs on this?

I thought of trying to modify my crosscurrent to put wider tires on it but most people have argue that it's not worth to try to modify an aluminum frame

Might make more sense to just leave it as is and try to find it a good home

Probably Looking at the flx trails or the high powered Cycles Scout.
 
Legs are your throttle with mid-drive motors. Pedal lightly or slowly = ride slowly; pedal stronger or faster = ride faster.
Honestly there are times where a throttle comes in really handy

And it's also just a lot of fun once in awhile

I Like to Pedal almost all the time. But every once in awhile a throttle is just a nice feature to have

I Guess I have to just try it for myself but since a lot of neat drives don't have a throttle oh, I was just curious if anyone has compared them

They are just situations where you're in traffic and it's actually safe to just be able to hit a throttle and gain a little speed or maneuver out of danger
 
You’re apparently fully able. We’re all not!
I'm not. I often can only deliver as much as 50 W of average leg power. I suffer from arteriosclerosis (inadequate blood supply to my legs).

The whole "fat e-bike"/"powerful motor"/"hub-drive" is an American concept indeed. Many people in your continent prefer very heavy, baloon tire, throttle equipped, 750+ W e-bikes because such people simply don't realise it is not the best way to go. You can hardly meet such an e-bike in Europe, yet Europe rides 10 times as many e-bikes than whole North America. And don't tell me Europeans are healthier than Americans. (Or, are they?)

I'm shocked with cmulv comment on 1.75" tires. Road bikes start with the size 23 mm (0.9").
 
I'm shocked with cmulv comment on 1.75" tires. Road bikes start with the size 23 mm (0.9").
Yes, me too. I bought a Fat Bike. The turd resides in a corner in a damp dark basement. I think they ride like military tanks. I happily rode on sew ups for two decades. Kids...go figure. 650 x 21mm. For the fractional dummies, 21mm is 0.826772”
 
I'm not. I often can only deliver as much as 50 W of average leg power. I suffer from arteriosclerosis (inadequate blood supply to my legs).

The whole "fat e-bike"/"powerful motor"/"hub-drive" is an American concept indeed. Many people in your continent prefer very heavy, baloon tire, throttle equipped, 750+ W e-bikes because such people simply don't realise it is not the best way to go. You can hardly meet such an e-bike in Europe, yet Europe rides 10 times as many e-bikes than whole North America. And don't tell me Europeans are healthier than Americans. (Or, are they?)

I'm shocked with cmulv comment on 1.75" tires. Road bikes start with the size 23 mm (0.9").
Maybe you can explain to me what the benefits of a 1.75 inch tire is

When you can get a 2.8 inch tire that has better rolling resistance and is lighter

I guarantee you the Schwalbe 2.8 inch G1 Tire is lighter than 90% of tires around 1.75 in and has lower rolling resistance than another 90% of them

Is Incredibly fast strong and Light,

Point Is that when you're riding a 60 or 70 lb bike on rough roads, the suspension you get from plus size tires is really nice

If you prefer to beat yourself up for no reason have fun

Yeah road bike start with really thin tires and road bikes can weigh less than 20 pounds to

When You're riding a 70 lb bike with a hub motor and you're going 25 miles per hour it would be nice to have some cushion

I think your comments are more shocking then someone simply looking to not beat up their body for no reason
 
Can someone talk about riding a mid drive with a throttle, and the experience of it? Especially compared to a hub motor with the throttle
I do like the throttle on my mid drive, as it still allows me to top up full power on demand regardless of my gear or PAS level. It is nice to plod along in PAS 2 or 3 for good range, but be able to add full 'boost' for a quick pass, acceleration in city traffic, or steep hill. I don't use my throttle outside of that and rely on the torque sensor for most riding.

And as for Stefan's comment about fat tire bike not being the 'best way to go', I don't think you can make that comment unless you live here and experience things from our perspective. We also drive far more pickup trucks and SUV's, drag giant travel trailers around, and drive all manner of ATV and off road vehicle too. Canada and the US are very big spaces with much more rural and undeveloped areas, we require more expense and effort in our transportation sectors, and utility equipment is the norm for many of us. Cargo bikes are massively popular here, and they truly are better with fat tires when you are sticking 2 or 3 three kids (or a passenger) on the back with no suspension. Road networks are expensive to maintain, so rural and even the edges of suburban areas can be very rough and wildly varied, so it makes sense for many of us. For the city-only commuters in our dozen or so metropolitan cities (and yes, that's all we have in this gigantic country), it probably isn't the best option, but style does come into it as well. Skinny road biased tires are simply not effective for 98% of our undeveloped country.
 
Maybe you can explain to me what the benefits of a 1.75 inch tire is

When you can get a 2.8 inch tire that has better rolling resistance and is lighter

I guarantee you the Schwalbe 2.8 inch G1 Tire is lighter than 90% of tires around 1.75 in and has lower rolling resistance than another 90% of them

Is Incredibly fast strong and Light,

Point Is that when you're riding a 60 or 70 lb bike on rough roads, the suspension you get from plus size tires is really nice

If you prefer to beat yourself up for no reason have fun

Yeah road bike start with really thin tires and road bikes can weigh less than 20 pounds to

When You're riding a 70 lb bike with a hub motor and you're going 25 miles per hour it would be nice to have some cushion

I think your comments are more shocking then someone simply looking to not beat up their body for no reason
Oh it also has much better grip so you don't fall and kill yourself

Yeah I guess I'm crazy for wanting a better riding experience

A more comfortable safer tire that is better in almost every way

And all the recent findings have shown that wider tires up to a certain point add very little rolling-resistance

I actually don't want a Fat Tire Bike because of the handling issues

But I think around 2.8 in is The Sweet Spot

You Still get a lot of cushion and it still handles like a normal bike

Also it all depends on the road you ride on. Where I ride the roads are crap and full of potholes

If I was riding on nice paved roads it wouldn't matter
 
I do like the throttle on my mid drive, as it still allows me to top up full power on demand regardless of my gear or PAS level. It is nice to plod along in PAS 2 or 3 for good range, but be able to add full 'boost' for a quick pass, acceleration in city traffic, or steep hill. I don't use my throttle outside of that and rely on the torque sensor for most riding.

And as for Stefan's comment about fat tire bike not being the 'best way to go', I don't think you can make that comment unless you live here and experience things from our perspective. We also drive far more pickup trucks and SUV's, drag giant travel trailers around, and drive all manner of ATV and off road vehicle too. Canada and the US are very big spaces with much more rural and undeveloped areas, we require more expense and effort in our transportation sectors, and utility equipment is the norm for many of us. Cargo bikes are massively popular here, and they truly are better with fat tires when you are sticking 2 or 3 three kids (or a passenger) on the back with no suspension. Road networks are expensive to maintain, so rural and even the edges of suburban areas can be very rough and wildly varied, so it makes sense for many of us. For the city-only commuters in our dozen or so metropolitan cities (and yes, that's all we have in this gigantic country), it probably isn't the best option, but style does come into it as well. Skinny road biased tires are simply not effective for 98% of our undeveloped country.
Cool what kind of bike?
 
Maybe you can explain to me what the benefits of a 1.75 inch tire is

When you can get a 2.8 inch tire that has better rolling resistance and is lighter

I guarantee you the Schwalbe 2.8 inch G1 Tire is lighter than 90% of tires around 1.75 in and has lower rolling resistance than another 90% of them

Is Incredibly fast strong and Light,

Point Is that when you're riding a 60 or 70 lb bike on rough roads, the suspension you get from plus size tires is really nice

If you prefer to beat yourself up for no reason have fun

Yeah road bike start with really thin tires and road bikes can weigh less than 20 pounds to

When You're riding a 70 lb bike with a hub motor and you're going 25 miles per hour it would be nice to have some cushion

I think your comments are more shocking then someone simply looking to not beat up their body for no reason
I’m curious, what did you ride before eBikes? How long? Which bikes? Resistance has to do, partially with road contact. You can’t tell us fat tires have better resistance qualities. No disrespect intended, just 5 decades of riding and 8 personal kit builds and even more customer builds. Not an expert but I’ve a few experiences in 55 years.
 
I’m curious, what did you ride before eBikes? How long? Which bikes? Resistance has to do, partially with road contact. You can’t tell us fat tires have better resistance qualities. No disrespect intended, just 5 decades of riding and 8 personal kit builds and even more customer builds. Not an expert but I’ve a few experiences in 55 years.
I just rode in a lot of different bikes for 45 years. Everything from racing bikes to mountain bikes

I Don't know why you keep saying fat tire bikes

I Don't want a Fat Tire Bike

2.8 in is considered plus-size

2.8 in will give you way more cushion, and grip than 1.75 in

It Will only have slightly more rolling resistance

Very minimal maybe 5% more

Check Out Schwalbe G one. I guarantee you they are lighter and less rolling resistance than 90% of 1.75 in tires

Face it you're either just stuck in your ways or trying to prove some sort of machismo with your attitude

if you ride on really bad roads the cushion from the increase will behuge

Small differences in Tire with can mean big differences in air volume. So the advantages of increasing Tire with are exponential in terms of comfort

 
My mid is a Rize RX Pro (Bafang 1000w Ultra), and my Hub is a Rize X (Bafang 750w Hub). Both are fat bikes.
How do you like The Fat Tires? How wide?

I guess I should try it. But I kind of think it might be Overkill

How Does it handle?

You ever ride a 2.8 inch tire. I'm thinking that might be the best of both worlds
 
How do you like The Fat Tires? How wide?

I guess I should try it. But I kind of think it might be Overkill

How Does it handle?

You ever ride a 2.8 inch tire. I'm thinking that might be the best of both worlds
Also look into primarily ride on the street. Occasionally Trails but 95% of the time Street
 
And as for Stefan's comment about fat tire bike not being the 'best way to go', I don't think you can make that comment unless you live here and experience things from our perspective.
So Poland’s roads are better? Sorry but that’s a supercilious comment.
 
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