I use Maxima chain guard in an aerosol can followed by Maxima chain lube (wax based) also in an aerosol. I never claimed my results were scientific. You've called "BS" on everything I've posted and then accuse me of being insulting? FWIW, I do indeed use the park tools CC2 chain checker which has a .25 hash mark. I also have a park tools 3.2 which is more of a go/no go checker and two other checkers as well. I did not realize one had to post scientific studies for chain lube durability before daring to post here. Again, you don't have to try it and you're convinced it doesn't work so I'm sure you won't. I'm hoping others might try it and be pleasantly surprised. I wasn't expecting the Spanish inquisition
I know it's popular today to not believe the science, but I guess I'm old-fashioned that way. But, your "information" just keeps getting worse and worse. You started out by posting this nonsense in multiple threads, and it's not insulting for me to point out the facts:
• First, you reference products that you said were "Maxima chain lube" and "Maxima chain wax." Turns out the "lube" product is actually called "Maxima Chain Guard."
• Secondly, it turns out those aren't bicycle products, so it would have been really hard for most readers here to have figured out which products you were actually using, since Maxima does make bicycle products as well - and they call the bicycle chain wax the same.
• Thirdly, Maxima itself
DOES NOT RECOMMEND these motorcycle products for bicycles, saying: "We do not recommend you use these on bicycles for these products. These chain lubes are designed for the high speeds of motorcycle chains."
• Fourthly, the mechanism you claim for this combo's performance does not stand up to wax application science, where a clean dry chain is needed for proper wax adhesion. Furthermore, there isn't any advantage to mixing these two products. It's not like the lube prevents wear or reduces friction better than the wax - the wax is equal if not better in terms of friction reduction, and is better in terms of keeping the chain clean in dirty/wet environments. The reasons people use wet lubes today are ease of application and not having to wait for the wax to dry before riding, not because they're somehow lower friction, but need additional layers of something else to seal them in. Maxima describes the situation and conditions for choose which of their products to use, and never says to combine them.
• Fifthly, you claimed the "holy grail of chain maintenance" and "zero wear" after just 1500 miles, using at the time go/no-go chain checkers that couldn't detect wear under 0.25% (which itself is half-way to replacement for 12-speed chains). And, you later admitted you ride almost entirely in clean/dry conditions, the easiest for any of the lubes/waxes to perform in.
• Sixly, you don't say what your maintenance schedule is, nor how it's performed. How often do you clean your chain, how often do you reapply the lube and how often the wax top coat?
• The ZCF testing I've referenced does over 3700 miles of testing in varied environments including dust, sand, dirt and wet with no chain cleaning. It's a tough test, designed to weed out the superior products from the inferior ones. The tester points out that if you clean your chain every week and reapply lubricant, you'll probably gets 10,000 kms of use before wear is an issue, but that wastes time and money. Without knowing your cleaning/relubing schedule and procedure, it's impossible to weigh what you claim is so great.
I'm glad your happy with what you're doing with your chain. But when you claim things like "zero wear" and "holy grail" using products the manufacturer recommends against and in a combination that contradicts the science, you should expect serious push-back when you recommend that.
