Magic (not real magic) chain lube for outstanding lasting performance and virtually no wear

[DDBB]

I think your inability to let it go is telling. Why don't you start your own thread about the proper products and technique to lube a chain instead of continuing to throw mud on my thread... I'm quite sure EVERYONE knows how you feel about mixing wet and wax lube. If it makes you feel better, "zero wear" is obviously not possible.. I already changed the title of this thread because of your protesting about using the word "magic". What more do you want at this point? In my non-scientific testing a coat of wax over wet has resulted in less wear than either used alone on my chains. I don't think I should be crucified for sharing this finding. You of course are free to call "BS" on it as you've done over and over.. When will it be enough for you?

 

[Gionnirocket]

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[smorgasbord]

I think your inability to let it go is telling.

I was content to let the potty humor of your "supporters" be the end result of this thread, as to anyone who is an adult, seeing them respond to data and facts with self-indulgent giggling over potty and sexual humor shows their true intent.

Then someone came back with actual data, so I felt that reinforcing the facts of the situation was worthwhile.

You keep trying to shut me up, but you can't let it go, insisting on the final word. Will you insist again, or can you let it go?

Why don't you start your own thread about the proper products and technique to lube a chain instead of continuing to throw mud on my thread

I did:

Some 3rd Party Chain Lube Testing Data

Chain lubes are among the contentious discussions in the biking world, and EBR is no exception. Some here may know of the Australian company ZeroFrictionCycling and its extensive testing efforts over the years. Their testing protocol is well-documented, uses a motor-driven actual bicycle...

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And years ago, I started a mid-drive chain-care thread:

The Ultimate Mid-Drive Chain Care Thread

We've got some scattered threads on chain cleaning, lubing, and measuring, but my hope here is to unite the best thinking and experiences from our community into one thread. If you've got some good tips or techniques to share, go right ahead. Cleaning: I did the first deep clean of my newish...

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[DDBB]

LOL.. you're a real piece of work smorgasbord. Instead of posting chain care threads, why not start a thread warning others about the dangers of not following the manufacturers directions when lubing a chain and the potential harm that wax on top of lube can cause. I'm sure you have the data to support it. .... And as you make fun of potty jokes, you resort to "I know you are... but what am I" type statements. (just drop it, no, why don't YOU drop it) etc. etc. ad nauseum. I started this thread and now you're telling ME to let it go?I'll even give you the satisfaction of saying you're absolutely right and I'm wrong. Is that enough? Not looking forward to your next post which I'm sure is coming shortly. In fact I never thought I'd have to use the "ignore member" feature here but now might be the time

 

[Gionnirocket]

I was content to let the potty humor of your "supporters"

Not sure how you derived that... but actually I do not agree with his methods and I believe I mentioned that in another thread where this was discussed. That said, I'm happy if he is and one statement of disagreement was enough for me.

be the end result of this thread, as to anyone who is an adult, seeing them respond to data and facts with self-indulgent giggling over potty and sexual humor shows their true intent.

What's life without whimsy

 

[smorgasbord]

Why don't you start your own thread about the proper products and technique to lube a chain

And when I pointed out that I had already done that, twice even, your huffy response was:

Instead of posting chain care threads, why not start a thread warning others about the dangers of not following the manufacturers directions when lubing a chain and the potential harm that wax on top of lube can cause.

I can't anticipate all the incorrect things people might do; I'm content to respond when someone recommends something incorrect as being "the holy grail."

I started this thread and now you're telling ME to let it go?

Yes. The only thing worse than starting a thread with misinformation and over-hyped claims that won't stand up to any scrutiny is to continue to insist on that misinformation as being true when independent testing and facts indicate otherwise.

In my non-scientific testing a coat of wax over wet has resulted in less wear than either used alone on my chains. I don't think I should be crucified for sharing this finding.

You really want to relitigate this? You insisted on resulting "zero wear." I pointed out how this was wrong. You took it personally. And still do.

You've now toned your rhetoric down to the point where your only claim now is that two products not designed to work on bicycle chains are better together than either non-bicycle product alone. As if that says anything in comparison to products actually designed for bicycle use.

I never thought I'd have to use the "ignore member" feature here but now might be the time

What's that line about not being able to handle the truth?

 

[DDBB]

Good bye smorgasboard... You refuse to let it go.. Enough is enough.. Find some other thread that bothers you. In fact, I might just start one. hehehhee

 

[Gionnirocket]

My experiment is well on its way
And the best part is... many people seem happy to pre-package lubricant for you in a convenient single use quantity.

 

[DDBB]

For anyone that might be interested and suffered the pain of reading all six pages. The wax lube does seem to form some kind of "shell" on top of the wet lube. I have no scientific data but the chain stays cleaner than just using wet lube and also seems to wear less. That's really all I wanted to convey. I did use "magic" and "virtually no wear" as attention getters and my bad for doing that. I still don't think it deserved the Spanish inquisition but here we are. Dog poop might work just as well.. or better!

 

[smorgasbord]

When I first did this it was actually by accident. I thought I was using the wax lube can but instead I had the wet lube can.

Well, earlier you said:

I love the maxima chain wax so I bought a can of their chain lube and then I thought, hey, if I spray the wax after the lube, it might give me better results

Even your narrative is self-contradictory - you first claimed it was an intentional experiment, then, months later, you admitted it was an accident.

But, you've got me ignored now, right?

 

[PCeBiker]

I decided to bring myself closer to God.
It only cost me twenty two bucks to buy my way into heaven.

I just bought a new membrane !!
My old one was starting to leak !!
I think it got holy ??
It went from 12 ppm new to over 40 ppm now.

My T-9 and new Membrane arrived,..

I'm gunna rinse my chain with my exceptionally clean water then hose it down with T-9 !!

 

[Gionnirocket]

After today's ride I broke the 300mi mark since I last lube'd my chain.... so I hoisted it up and gave it a T9 treatment. Gonna let this application sit over night to see if this preferred method makes a difference. Don't know how I'll be able to tell... but what the hell.
If the difference isn't noticeable, I'll probably go back to the 2 hour method for the most part... or maybe go full blown dog_shit

ps.. Why hasn't ZeroFrictionCycling tested dog s*it? Or maybe even dingo s*it

 

[Gionnirocket]

Leaving the T9 on over night does seem to be a little better. When wiping it down this morning I only had to flip the rag to a clean spot twice.
When I wipe it down after only two hours I usually have to flip the rag 4 - 5 times.
I guess I'll do overnight when not inconvenient..
ymmv

 

[DDBB]

I wipe the wet lube but not the chain wax. Works really well

 

[smorgasbord]

Boeshield T-9 is essentially a blend of paraffin waxes in a carrier that evaporates - slowly. I've used it on the cast-iron tables of my woodworking equipment, but switched to a synthetic paste wax since it's actually easier to apply to flat surfaces and dries very quickly so I can wax a bandsaw table or jointer bed and cut wood minutes later. But, you can't use a paste wax on a bicycle chain, and shouldn't since it won't get down into the lubrication needed areas.

The ZFC guy has a YouTube review of it - claiming its performance is only "middle of the pack," but he characterizes T-8 more as a wet lube than a wax, which is weird since it's definitely more of a wax. I suspect he may have put it on too thickly and/or not waited long enough for the carriers to dry. He used the aerosol, which is not what Boeshield recommends for bike chains.


FWIW, the ZFC guy also has a YouTube "review" of several chain checkers, which mostly shows how inaccurate some of them can be. I think the problem there is that the checkers are trying to measure very small amounts and yet be affordable. To put it into perspective, 0.5% is 1/200th. So, for a 3" long span, that's only 0.015" (15-thousandths of an inch). So, the difference between a half-worn chain and a fully worn chain (for 12 speeds that should be replaced at 0.5%) is only 0.0075". Trying to measure that with a stamped piece of steel or one of the pivoting models requires manufacturing accuracy that may not actually be present.

Here's another guy comparing chain checkers:

 

[smorgasbord]

I just updated the mid-drive chain care thread with some new information:

The Ultimate Mid-Drive Chain Care Thread

Just wanted to add a note - was perusing the ZeroFrictionCycling web site and came across an article on Master Links: https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Master-Link-FAQ-Guide.pdf In which it says: Sram eagle xx1 / x01 chains are by far the worlds longest lasting...

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