Hydra range?

[fvbruin]

Just put in a order for the Hydra and curious to see what everyone's experience has been with the range in different scenarios from flat paved bike trail to steep climbing with different settings. I have a small size frame with kindernay, 2300W X1 Archon. Is it possible to get 50-60 miles will PAS around 20 mph average on relatively flat paved road?

 

[BruceBrown]

I think that 50-60 miles might be pushing it. If you're actually pedaling and not making the bike do all the work, I think you could get 40 for sure on relatively flat ground if the temps you're riding in aren't extreme. You wouldn't need all 2300 watts - limit the amps in your settings to mimic 500-750 watts and you'll have plenty of assist and more range to get you where you want to be.

Tires on the Hydra aren't road tires, so that's going to impact your range as well.

 

[pushkar]

Hey there. I am sure people will share their experiences. I would say 40-45Miles is probably the upper limit in our testing on flats at 20mph.
Please note that there is typically a loss in range due to dual suspensions ( frame absorbs energy on every pedal stroke), loss with Knobby tires. Individually these 2 actions take up around 5-10% range based on anecdotal observations.

As a reference, expected range for that battery on a hardtail commuter, with street tires, is 45-55 miles per charge.

If a rider is getting 70 miles, they are either riding much slower (10 mph avg), or there is a high probability that they are breaking laws of physics

 

[fvbruin]

I understand range can very with a lot of variables so just seeing what people are experiencing. If I restrict the motor on PAS to 750 or 1000w how much of range improvement could i see in this scenario?

 

[BruceBrown]

I understand range can very with a lot of variables so just seeing what people are experiencing. If I restrict the motor on PAS to 750 or 1000w how much of range improvement could i see in this scenario?

In my opinion, what @pushkar indicated is what you can expect at 750. When you get your bike you'll understand why there simply is no need for 2300 under any kind of normal riding conditions. It's great to have it if/when you'd need it, but for basic everyday riding, even on a trail, it isn't needed.

@pushkar also mentioned the loss of range due to the full suspension which I failed to mention. I lock mine when on the street and generally only unlock if I know I'll be on the trail or going over obstacles.

 

[Merle Nelson]

 

[BruceBrown]

Here's where my Hydra will be tested for range Nobby tyres and all. soon as it arrives on the Island. Highest setting on eco and highests on sport. Flat paved. 15 miles approx of this path runs alongside Pearl Harbor. Then I will let you know When low tide I ride on the edge of water and through that puddle low tide about a foot. just to wash the mud off the wheels. My bike is almost here yee haw? The bike you see in the photos. 45 miles easy, and battery indicator bars still has two sometimes one lit up. No Throttle on this bike

Note to myself: Do Not Use Throttle.

Key point about the throttle. I've completely removed my throttle and laying off of it will definitely increase range.

 

[scrambler]

@fvbruin do you have your small Frame Hydra?

If so could you let me know the height between ground and top of seat while in its lowest position (let me know if you have a dropper post)
And while the seat is in its lowest position, what is the height between ground and top bar in front of the seat (stand over height in front of seat ion its lowest position).

Thank you

 

[Deacon Blues]

Scrambler, if fvbruin doesn't have a small I do.

 

[Deacon Blues]

Just read your PM. I'll measure the bike this afternoon, and yes, I have a dropper.

 

[scrambler]

Just read your PM. I'll measure the bike this afternoon, and yes, I have a dropper.

Thanks a million, much appreciated

 

[Deacon Blues]

Measurements for a small sized Hydra:
Seat height with the dropper post in the down position: 35"
Top tube height below front of saddle: 28"
Top tube height 5-6 inches in front of saddle: 31"

 

[scrambler]

Thank you so much for taking the time to confirm these!

 

[scrambler]

I don't know if you can measure that, but how much would you say the bike lowers down when seated on it, and for what weight?
And what is the height of the handlebar at the ends (if I can abuse of your kindness )?

 

[Deacon Blues]

My handlebar height is approx. 43", but I've swapped out the stock handlebar and stem for a more high-rise handlebar with more back sweep. The stem is also angled upwards.
I'm not sure how much higher my handlebar grip ends are, compared to a stock setup.
I'm 155 pounds and with the way I've set up my suspension I have around 1 inch of drop when I sit on the seat.

 

[scrambler]

Thanks again !

 

[Deacon Blues]

Numbers read medium.

I really like my Hydra and the frames feels to be the right size for me, but you're right, Rome, it does feel bigger than a small sized frame should be.
Must be a thing with WW, because my UC Pro, which is a medium, sizes out to a large.

 

[scrambler]

Numbers read medium.
If you want it low rider remove and replace the suspension system you know what I mean put together a lowering kit.

You can gain about 1/2" with 26" wheels
You could gain a bit more in the back with a shorter rear shock may be, but not sure what could be done to lower the front though...

 

[scrambler]

I am not sure a fork with less travel necessarily means less length, but I guess one could probably find one that would, although the quality may not be quite the same.
Replacing the shock and fork is also an expensive proposition...

 

[scrambler]

Yes, so far There are no decent e-MTB small enough for my wife....
Waiting for the Helios