Wow that looks amazing! I definitely might have to pick up some of those pulleys soon...@kwseattle sick, hopefully you can get riding without any issues today. Beautiful and sunny out on the east side of the lake and it's holding out tomorrow too! I'll have to check out Jay's Hydra thread to see the throttle, thanks. My Garbaruk came in and it looks snazzy - you definitely want the pulleys, look at them! Very easy install too. I'm using titanium pulley bolts and need to scoop some Ti pins for the cage & stopper post too. I have some black Ti adjustment screws too that I originally got for my SRAM and they fit the M8000 fine, pretty much negate the extra weight of the Garbaruk setup (7.9g more) but I promise you Ti hardware looks great but is the most expensive and superfluous way to bling your ride out and save weight... Probably $320ish to do a full hardware swap with Ti hardware (hollow Ti bolts where possible) on my bike to save.... 560g?
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@mmcarm I have a Wolftooth dropper lever bolted to the Magura brake clamp - I can't find the thread on EBR or the ES thread it linked to but I was thinking of something more like the ones on this page that are very slim & low-profile on the bars. I'm mulling an e-clutch trigger on the left side so I can manually cut motor power & shift under regular pedal power until the chain is fully on the next cog to preserve drivetrain and my display is also on the left, so I'm trying to keep throttle on the right side as well (makes shifting while under throttle impossible too) - that second pic with the SW102 is super slick though. It's the display I originally wanter just hate how little info the SW102/X1 display shows!
Second that! I just got this in today used and cheap. I have the full system with the big pulleys on its way from Garbaruk (not as cheap) as well. Seems the chainring spacing is the bigger issue though.I'm very interested to find out if these mods has eliminated your chain skipping.
Looks like you're getting a handle on it. It'd be great for everybody to hear it's a pretty easy fix.The chain also has much more room between itself and the chainstay which is what I was going for,
Great to hear @kwseattle though I’d like for you to get some better weather soon for more testing.It started raining IMMEDIATELY after I stepped out the door to go for my afternoon test ride... lol
In other news, SUCCESS! The chain cross is much better in all gears and the skipping seems to be almost entirely eliminated in top gear. There were a few slips on the highest gear but I think I just need to play with my derailleur adjustment some more once I have more time, it's not perfectly aligned yet.
Summary for anyone else having this issue:
This has appeared to resolve both the chainstay interference issue and the gear slipping issue.
- I swapped my chainring to the outboard position on the spider and added a 2.5mm spacer.
- Replaced the Shimano Deore XT (M8000) derailleur cage with a Garbaruk 11 speed cage.
Lol, me too... It's not supposed to rain tomorrow and I'm less busy so I should be able to ride for a bit!Great to hear @kwseattle though I’d like for you to get some better weather soon for more testing.
@pushkar can this be best practice for new builds going out? I'm lazy and don't want to do this after receiving the bike.It started raining IMMEDIATELY after I stepped out the door to go for my afternoon test ride... lol
In other news, SUCCESS! The chain cross is much better in all gears and the skipping seems to be almost entirely eliminated in top gear. There were a few slips on the highest gear but I think I just need to play with my derailleur adjustment some more once I have more time, it's not perfectly aligned yet.
Summary for anyone else having this issue:
This has appeared to resolve both the chainstay interference issue and the gear slipping issue.
- I swapped my chainring to the outboard position on the spider and added a 2.5mm spacer.
- Replaced the Shimano Deore XT (M8000) derailleur cage with a Garbaruk 11 speed cage.
Pushkar‘s bikes are a special item in the world of the bikes. They are heavier than a Levo but they have twice the power. They are not going to be as refined as a product that was designed by a team of engineers in Switzerland. He has done work testing and strengthening the Dengfu frame for the Hydra as well as designing the other frames he is offering. Beyond that he is stuck with using parts that are available. He does the best he can to run his business but he doesn’t personally assemble every bicycle, he is constantly improving however. I have an understanding what he is going through because I to on my own small business.@pushkar can this be best practice for new builds going out? I'm lazy and don't want to do this after receiving the bike.
You think my ask is not a fair one? It's not like I'm beating them up, just asking for process improvement based on field feedback - you said he's constantly doing that, right?Pushkar‘s bikes are a special item in the world of the bikes. They are heavier than a Levo but they have twice the power. They are not going to be as refined as a product that was designed by a team of engineers in Switzerland. He has done work testing and strengthening the Dengfu frame for the Hydra as well as designing the other frames he is offering. Beyond that he is stuck with using parts that are available. He does the best he can to run his business but he doesn’t personally assemble every bicycle, he is constantly improving however. I have an understanding what he is going through because I to on my own small business.
if you’re not gonna be happy with a product that’s less than perfect I suggest you buy an off-the-shelf and euro style ebike. They are not perfect either but they are certainly better with alignment issues etc. You can go right back to the shop you purchased it at and hopefully they will make it right for you. If you really want power of the Bafang ultra with the German controller you’re going to have to be a lot more involved and able to work through small issues.
just my opinion
Definitely agreed.Have to agree with @slocoach here - he is just suggesting WW take this feedback and incorporate into their design and future productions plans.
I think we all appreciate that we are working with Watt Wagons vs Specialized here - or I would hope so.
Improving a design that has the chain eating into the carbon chain stay and an inability to use all the gears smoothly on a bike is just valuable feedback to WW. I haven't seen anyone (recently ) on this thread vilifying @pushkar or the Company. In fact, I'd say it's been a pretty positive 'how can we make this better' input from a number of us.
Hmmmm… so it’s better than when you first got it? Sounds like a step forward but I’m not excited that you are still getting that high gear slipTest run review:
Derailleur needs some slight adjustments to lock into every gear correctly but the
Definitely agreed.
Went out for another ride today - almost drove out to a bike/hiking park but I can't really figure out their e bike rules so I just rode locally. I did another full derailleur adjustment because it was skipping in a couple of lower gears, everything seems smooth now except every once in a while on higher power settings in the highest gear it'll slip a tooth. Thinking maybe the b screw adjustment might help with that one, but it doesn't seem to make a huge difference on high gears since the gap is much larger. I could also just be exceeding the torque limits of a gear designed for low torque/high speed.
@loamoaf going to have to get some more park trail advice from you!
Significantly improved... But that slip is still happening a little bit. It's no longer rattling with high power in that gear, but it'll just slip a tooth every once in a while. I might actually try and stick my tiny Insta360 camera on there the next chance I can get for some testing, maybe that'll give me some insight.Hmmmm… so it’s better than when you first got it? Sounds like a step forward but I’m not excited that you are still getting that high gear slip