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mainly because they are laughable for fellas with more experience.
Groundbreaking Trike?
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Thanks for making my points. For $2800 (or even $3K) delivered, we all should certainly be surprised that every replaceable feature of this trike is not the very best that money can buy let alone what anyone would possibly receive if they up paid for it. Seems strange that another recently released groundbreaking trike (for the price) escaped similar unrelenting bashing before anyone even laid their eyes on one..the Lectric XP. Let's take a look at the latest attempt to paint the Soletri as nothing new:Ok, so tearing this down....
Non-interesting - claims that seemingly no one else has ever welded, fabricated, or what, even sweated? Huh.
'Ground-breaking'
So I re-read the post above and looked through most of the linked pages on AddMotor. I still don't see the ground-breaking bits here, as there is literally nothing new here in the broader ebike world, although a couple of things may be 'new' versus electric trikes being offered from what I've seen. It seems your focus is really on the fact it has rear suspension, and the ability to build a custom seat on a minibike frame, with a couple of 'extras' thrown in like the lights and rack cover/bag. I'll throw those up top but here's the list of features from your post.
Ability to build a custom seat
Ok, I guess? But the default minibike seating sure looks like it's near worthless for actually pedaling, so would need more work to make pedaling worthwhile, or you could use a standard seat post mount and tie into the rear rack on a non-minibike-framed trike? Is your goal zero/near-zero pedaling and ride mostly by throttle?
Dual suspension (presumably the emphasis here is on rear and front, not dual likely cheap rear coils?).
Best I can tell this is the only rear-suspension electric trike I've seen. However, considering the front hub cadence-driven motor and OE cassette, as well as the 4" fat tires, I'm not sure this is as beneficial as you might want to believe. Personally, I prefer having working front and rear suspension on my ebikes, but I'm coming from decades of motorcycles and dual-sport, off-road riding, etc. The OE gearing on this along with the front hub drive and no-name suspension components makes me think much more grocery-getter than off-road beast. Too soon to tell if replacement quality shocks can be found, whether coil or air, but this is probably a place where a suspension seat post along with the fat tires would suffice.
Foot pad
It's fine, although nothing earth shattering . If one were so inclined, this could be resolved on other trikes with a pair of U-clamps dipped in liquid plastic and a simple frame and piece of plywood.
Rear bag -I'm afraid to even add up how much I've spent over time on various motorcycle and firearm related bags among others. There are standard connect bag systems out there for bikes and motorcycles, but sure, it's fine it comes with a waterproof bag for the rack as a bonus. The first time you 'overflow' the top of the bag may have you buying a different bag for the rack, but it's a fine freebie/bonus, sure.
'Modern lighting system' - this amounts to ~$30 or so on AliExpress or Amazon. I'm a strong proponent of rear lights, especially those with flashing and brake actions. They have an entire marketing page for what more or less amounts to they added a feed from the battery, or possibly even switched power, for lighting. Note that many/most of the Bafang controllers already have light outputs so you can switch them on from the control, etc. My similarly sized front light on one of the bikes was woefully underpowered, while their 40 lumen stated output is pretty weak lumen-wise. Lights at all on a bike/trike/motorcycle/vehicle are a good thing, but most of us have gone to rechargeable higher-powered, better lighting options. As long as the brake light actually functions off of the brake levers, and is reasonably bright, I'd probably leave the rear and expect to replace the front, pending seeing it's output riding through a tunnel, in the rain, at night, etc.
20ah battery - ok, pretty standard for many ebikes nowadays, but yes, it's fine, and better than those still trying to sell bikes with 14ah batteries.
750W Bafang hub motor - ok, lots of offerings using this in the ebike space, the motors been out for years. Here's a kit with (2) wheels, controller, display, and 20ah battery etc. for ~$900, from Bafang directly: https://www.amazon.com/BAFANG-Front-Rear-Hub-Motor/dp/B0BGLKJH6T
25A controller - This is somewhat meaningless. Power(W) = I(Current) * E(Voltage). Unless they are over-driving the motor to some ~1250W, which may impact motor longevity (and possibly forks and rest of drivetrain, enough said already on this), all that's needed is technically 750W / 48v = 15.625A. As most of the ebike motors spike a bit above nominal, I'd expect to see 20-25A ratings on the controller and the same or a bit higher on the battery BMS. It's possible they've built a custom controller, but if so, it seemingly has zero programmability/adjustability or they'd be advertising it, so for now at least, I'm guessing it's just Bafang's latest controller, or another generic China controller.
7 gears - literally the cheapest Shimano kit available. There's nothing terribly 'wrong' with it for entry level, but that cassette range makes me twitch a bit considering bike weight and someone pretending this thing might see other than flat roads...Both the high end will be less (14T vs 10-11T) and climbing or starting on hills will be more effort (whether yours, the motors, or both - 28T vs 44-50T).
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Torque-sensing PAS
This trike seems to be cadence sensing, literally from their page:
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4" Kenda fat tires
These are pretty standard budget-but-above-China-no-brand on fat tire vehicles. My Eunorau came with them as well. See first video of this trike, 4" 20" Kendas.
Electric Fat Trike
The Electric Fat Trike is the perfect companion for your next off-road adventure. With its versatile wide 4" tires with a low-profile tread for both on-road and off-road use. To order call 1-800-375-0224 or email via [email protected]www.electrictrike.com
So basically, it's a standard Bafang hub motor, with an eBike standard 20ah battery (although yay, with Samsung cells and not no-name), with low-end cassette and groupset, some lights and a cover, but on a minibike style frame with unknown quality dual-coil rear shocks, and seemingly cadence-sensing over torque-sensing.
"...Ground-breaking'
So I re-read the post above and looked through most of the linked pages on AddMotor. I still don't see the ground-breaking bits here, as there is literally nothing new here in the broader ebike world, although a couple of things may be 'new' versus electric trikes being offered from what I've seen...."
Great. We've finally established that only your "couple of things may be new' can possibly make us all understand that "there is literally nothing new". Clear as mud.
"...It seems your focus is really on the fact it has rear suspension, and the ability to build a custom seat on a minibike frame...."
Again, name me the trike with but these features alone which compares for the price and is easily moddable due to both. You cannot which is why you go here:
"....Best I can tell this is the only rear-suspension electric trike I've seen...."
Stop. Let's chew on that one a bit for $3K and add in the front.
"... However, considering the front hub cadence-driven motor and OE cassette, as well as the 4" fat tires, I'm not sure this is as beneficial as you might want to believe...."
None of the above has anything to do with the suspension (period>
"...Personally, I prefer having working front and rear suspension on my ebikes, but I'm coming from decades of motorcycles and dual-sport, off-road riding, etc...."
You're in luck here as it has both...and both are easily replaceable if upgrades are desired.
"... The OE gearing on this along with the front hub drive and no-name suspension components makes me think much more grocery-getter than off-road beast...."
Nobody said that it was off road anything even if you believe that the latter is even possible for $3K or slobber over the advertising. Again, you're wanting the world yet not willing to play in this one at this price point.
"...Too soon to tell if replacement quality shocks can be found, whether coil or air, but this is probably a place where a suspension seat post along with the fat tires would suffice...."
C'mon. if you cannot determine whether these shocks can be easily replaced let alone modified , I might just end the conversation here due to lack of imagination. if you further feel that a seat post and fat tires should be the limit of y(our) imagination and 'suffice' with this much genius intentionally built in to the design(?)...yeah I'm going to have to quit wasting my time here until I possibly have more of it.
I believe that this is nothing but a generation gap thing.
'Potential' is somewhat of a hard thing to describe let alone teach.
My generation found it in cars, motorcycles, trucks, planes, boats and just about everything that moved.
What I'm finding lately is that if it doesn't already come wrapped up with a nice little neat bow for next to nothing then you dare not speak the 'P' word let along 'G' without hearing how anything less either sucks or isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Look beyond what you pay for kids; especially if you are taking a chance on something old and broken.
Taking chances on the unseen/untested or abused is risky and often results in disappointment if you remain afraid of your own imagination.
This trike is nothing of the sort and a good bet for plenty of fun in the garage making it even better.
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...Wasn't that the same "mention of support" who so artfully expressed his love for the forever (at least before this trike) needed innovation so long inherent in our sport with:"...The door should have been shut on this idea almost at the get-go..."
...very much as our government demanded of 3-wheeled ATVs?
Didn't that same member also follow up with something like "arrogant, narcissistic and rookie" for good measure as...wait for it...someone else also does whenever we dare go our own way, invest in whatever pleases or speculate around what could be made better?
Golly gee do I ever sleep better at night just knowing that something is not even likely but going to happen (forks snapping)...and that there are brave folks out there literally willing to shut that door for me before I dare even peek through to the other side.
Heaven help me according to popular opinion and those who believe, as Ralph Nader once put it, that this trike is: "Unsafe at any speed" without so much as a single owner let alone reviewer putting their hands on one. I didn't create this post to "make up my mind". What happened instead is a plea for (apparently) younger generations to not only take a chance in their lives...but to recognize when chances might possibly be worth taking at a (then) $2800/delivered price point.
Yeah, I know...modding stuff is scary and what if everybody forgets to give me a participation trophy for trying even if I fail. I get it and am here for you.
...who exactly is "fighting" here save for those wishing to kill this trike before even so much as seeing one?
(Lol)
...is our younger generation now insisting that all discourse simply be 'postponed' to a date of their own choosing? I have witnessed plenty of evidence in my own working life to support the latter hypothesis...just somewhat strange to actually see it spelled out in print. Inconvenient conversation? Suggest that that same be silenced like a spoiled kid shutting up their parentsI have been on forums for a good many years and quite a few on this one...quite possibly even a few more than most calling me a "rookie" when it comes to Ebikes.
Yet I will have to say that this is the very first time that I have been encouraged to not respond to my own thread, let it die and come back to it when the kids tell me to.
Thank you guys for helping me to better understand the kids that I run in to every day with strikingly similar attitudes through these latest posts.
I'll just stick it out here in my own thread...if y'all don't mind (may God bless you all for your grace).
You know, I tried to see past your obvious douche-baggery and narcissistic nonsense, but enough already.Thanks for making my points. For $2800 (or even $3K) delivered, we all should certainly be surprised that every replaceable feature of this trike is not the very best that money can buy let alone what anyone would possibly receive if they up paid for it. Seems strange that another recently released groundbreaking trike (for the price) escaped similar unrelenting bashing before anyone even laid their eyes on one..the Lectric XP. Let's take a look at the latest attempt to paint the Soletri as nothing new:
"...Ground-breaking'
So I re-read the post above and looked through most of the linked pages on AddMotor. I still don't see the ground-breaking bits here, as there is literally nothing new here in the broader ebike world, although a couple of things may be 'new' versus electric trikes being offered from what I've seen...."
Great. We've finally established that only your "couple of things may be new' can possibly make us all understand that "there is literally nothing new". Clear as mud.
"...It seems your focus is really on the fact it has rear suspension, and the ability to build a custom seat on a minibike frame...."
Again, name me the trike with but these features alone which compares for the price and is easily moddable due to both. You cannot which is why you go here:
"....Best I can tell this is the only rear-suspension electric trike I've seen...."
Stop. Let's chew on that one a bit for $3K and add in the front.
"... However, considering the front hub cadence-driven motor and OE cassette, as well as the 4" fat tires, I'm not sure this is as beneficial as you might want to believe...."
None of the above has anything to do with the suspension (period>
"...Personally, I prefer having working front and rear suspension on my ebikes, but I'm coming from decades of motorcycles and dual-sport, off-road riding, etc...."
You're in luck here as it has both...and both are easily replaceable if upgrades are desired.
"... The OE gearing on this along with the front hub drive and no-name suspension components makes me think much more grocery-getter than off-road beast...."
Nobody said that it was off road anything even if you believe that the latter is even possible for $3K or slobber over the advertising. Again, you're wanting the world yet not willing to play in this one at this price point.
"...Too soon to tell if replacement quality shocks can be found, whether coil or air, but this is probably a place where a suspension seat post along with the fat tires would suffice...."
C'mon. if you cannot determine whether these shocks can be easily replaced let alone modified , I might just end the conversation here due to lack of imagination. if you further feel that a seat post and fat tires should be the limit of y(our) imagination and 'suffice' with this much genius intentionally built in to the design(?)...yeah I'm going to have to quit wasting my time here until I possibly have more of it.
I believe that this is nothing but a generation gap thing.
'Potential' is somewhat of a hard thing to describe let alone teach.
My generation found it in cars, motorcycles, trucks, planes, boats and just about everything that moved.
What I'm finding lately is that if it doesn't already come wrapped up with a nice little neat bow for next to nothing then you dare not speak the 'P' word let along 'G' without hearing how anything less either sucks or isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Look beyond what you pay for kids; especially if you are taking a chance on something old and broken.
Taking chances on the unseen/untested or abused is risky and often results in disappointment if you remain afraid of your own imagination.
This trike is nothing of the sort and a good bet for plenty of fun in the garage making it even better.
I have worked on vehicles since before I was legal to drive them, engines/trans/drivetrain as well as welding and auto body, have had parts that I designed put into production and sale, have done fully custom turbo and suspension systems, so basically - get over yourself already. That chip on your shoulder that seems to be ingrown is far from warranted. There are plenty of people on the forum with similar experience who manage to share it, and even debate, without being, well - you.
Good luck on your 'come on' and 'easily replaced' rear shocks, among other things. Sounds good on paper right until you realize something just isn't standard. When shocks are 1/2 too long or too tall physically or in shock range, and the suspension leverage magnifies the problem. Lots of stuff can be sorted via bushings, pre-load, spring cutting or spring swaps, or maybe you get lucky and something like these are 'good enough' and length, stroke, bushing diameter are all spot on, or can be easily bushed.
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At that point, you've still got an on-road trike with suspension that doesn't negate the other issues raised by people you continue to believe you're somehow 'better than' (BTW, @tomjasz is retired and has worked at numerous ebike companies and has built numerous very custom ebikes, batteries and the like, while @m@Robertson has lots of his own custom creations, among others - you are far from the only one having a clue).
Just lol on the 'wrapped in a nice bow' comments. Feel free to go locate my long-ass writeup on my Luna x2 build on the Luna forums if you'd like, or I can send you to my site showing people how to do wheel builds. Seriously - get over yourself.
Good luck.
DashRiprock
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...Wasn't that the same "mention of support" who so artfully expressed his love for the forever (at least before this trike) needed innovation so long inherent in our sport with:"...The door should have been shut on this idea almost at the get-go..."
...very much as our government demanded of 3-wheeled ATVs?
Didn't that same member also follow up with something like "arrogant, narcissistic and rookie" for good measure as...wait for it...someone else also does whenever we dare go our own way, invest in whatever pleases or speculate around what could be made better?
Golly gee do I ever sleep better at night just knowing that something is not even likely but going to happen (forks snapping)...and that there are brave folks out there literally willing to shut that door for me before I dare even peek through to the other side.
Heaven help me according to popular opinion and those who believe, as Ralph Nader once put it, that this trike is: "Unsafe at any speed" without so much as a single owner let alone reviewer putting their hands on one. I didn't create this post to "make up my mind". What happened instead is a plea for (apparently) younger generations to not only take a chance in their lives...but to recognize when chances might possibly be worth taking at a (then) $2800/delivered price point.
Yeah, I know...modding stuff is scary and what if everybody forgets to give me a participation trophy for trying even if I fail. I get it and am here for you.
...who exactly is "fighting" here save for those wishing to kill this trike before even so much as seeing one?
(Lol)
...is our younger generation now insisting that all discourse simply be 'postponed' to a date of their own choosing? I have witnessed plenty of evidence in my own working life to support the latter hypothesis...just somewhat strange to actually see it spelled out in print. Inconvenient conversation? Suggest that same be silenced like a spoiled kid shutting up today's parents. I have been on forums for a good many years and quite a few on this one...possibly a few more than most who have called me a "rookie" in this post when it comes to Ebikes.
Yet I will have to say that this is the very first time that I have been encouraged to not respond to my own thread, let it die and come back to it when the kids tell me to.
Thank you guys for helping me to better understand the kids that I run in to every day with strikingly similar attitudes through these latest posts.
I'll just stick it out here in my own thread...if y'all don't mind (may God bless you all for your grace).
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What I can't understand is how anyone has the patience to read all this crap let alone reply in length.
Update: 8 ground breaker trikes in my cart. . .
Update: 8 ground breaker trikes in my cart. . .
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Now that's a new one even at my advanced age...it's all crap and nobody else should have the patience to read it let alone reply (especially at length).
Wellllllll if that's the case...this should really bother..it'll be here Friday!.
Quite often, those who 'know what's best for others'' simply ruin it for same when it comes to simply learning about anything (it's just too much work as witnessed in far too many instances above).
Hoping that someone else comes along to share their thoughts on this special trike when given a chance to try one.
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We hope so also.
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DashRiprock said:
"..Hoping that someone else comes along to share their thoughts on this special trike when given a chance to try one..."
"..Hoping that someone else comes along to share their thoughts on this special trike when given a chance to try one..."
I couldn't get you all to easily admit it that the Soletri is indeed groundbreaking...yet 'special' is certainly good enough for me.
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Here is a shot of the dual suspension, rear frame and footrest area that is (cough) 'so familiar' to the we-hate-it-before-we-even-see-one crowd above.
What a beauty! (try to control yourselves now)...
What a beauty! (try to control yourselves now)...
DashRiprock
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....here's the trike back rest and storage box complete with mounting hardware for $39:
www.addmotor.com
Ebike Backrest Tail Box Trunk for M-66 R7, M-66X, M-65X, M-365X, M-366X
Storage for Gloves Wallet Umbrella
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oh, quit whining already. Jesus...DashRiprock said:
I couldn't get you all to easily admit it that the Soletri is indeed groundbreaking...yet 'special' is certainly good enough for me.
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Love ya, brother! (sincerely).
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I have played around with ATVs for a good part of my life. Molded cargo boxes on the rear rack started to be a bigger thing 30 some odd years ago so I tinkered around with using these as a back rest even without a passenger. Once you have something back there similar (as the Soletri now has) to push back up against and to hold various 'spacers' (even cushions) in between...a world of true comfort opens up (see your dual suspension underneath as well).
Being able to shape and mold your backside to your liking and even 'recline' a bit as the various full/semi recumbent trikes boast...believe me, you're liking it.
Being able to shape and mold your backside to your liking and even 'recline' a bit as the various full/semi recumbent trikes boast...believe me, you're liking it.
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For any who were waiting, our Soletri (supposedly the first of the bunch) will be delivered tomorrow morning.
Accessories should arrive at the same time.
Addmotor evidently will be shipping pedal extenders with the above order.
I got an email asking who told me that it needed pedal extenders, so we will see...
Accessories should arrive at the same time.
Addmotor evidently will be shipping pedal extenders with the above order.
I got an email asking who told me that it needed pedal extenders, so we will see...
DashRiprock
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...I also asked about any fast upcoming reviews.
Apparently not. (hope that one appears sooner rather than later).
Apparently not. (hope that one appears sooner rather than later).
DashRiprock
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Received my Soletri a few weeks ago.
Yes, it is everything that I had hoped for and more (and yes, there is a solidly built; reasonably priced etrike out there that just plain rocks).
Soooooooo....I happen to look in my inbox today and laugh.
There sits a 'teaser' announcement bound to further put some panties in a bunch here if this how-dare-you-speak-of-anything-new thread is any indicator:
https://www.addmotor.com/blog/grandtan-m-340t-debut?utm_source=edm&utm_medium=edm&utm_campaign=340t&utm_source=Addmotor&utm_campaign=ee0682db93-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_05_29_07_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-e3f1bf5765-[LIST_EMAIL_ID]
Love it.
Yes, it is everything that I had hoped for and more (and yes, there is a solidly built; reasonably priced etrike out there that just plain rocks).
Soooooooo....I happen to look in my inbox today and laugh.
There sits a 'teaser' announcement bound to further put some panties in a bunch here if this how-dare-you-speak-of-anything-new thread is any indicator:
https://www.addmotor.com/blog/grandtan-m-340t-debut?utm_source=edm&utm_medium=edm&utm_campaign=340t&utm_source=Addmotor&utm_campaign=ee0682db93-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_05_29_07_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-e3f1bf5765-[LIST_EMAIL_ID]
Love it.
DashRiprock
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...put it this way...the Soletri is so badass (in my opinion) that I'm ordering this M340T not only price/sight unseen but with no idea as to what this new driveline is all about.
Is the Soletri/Herotri Groundbreaking?
You bet it is (frame alone) and I see no reason to believe that this new generation of trikes from Addmotor will be any different.
Is the Soletri/Herotri Groundbreaking?
You bet it is (frame alone) and I see no reason to believe that this new generation of trikes from Addmotor will be any different.
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