Giant 2020 ebikes?

[Mtl_Biker]

What does the E+1 in the rest of the world have that isn't available on the North American models?

First of all, it seems that the available models are not the same in all North America... Canada and the US have different ones.

It's a little bit hard to get all the specs because it seems in different countries the models are slightly different. And now (since I last checked) there are new models in the Explore series that weren't there a month or two ago. It looks like the components are overall better quality, RideControl EVO instead of Contact or One, better lights - 50 lux instead of 30, MIK rack, better suspension fork, better shifters, derailleurs, brakes, 6amp charger instead of 4, etc. And the new E+1 PRO model is (my opinion) the best looking of all the Explore models. The battery (still 500w) is integrated into the frame making the bike look much more streamlined and less like a clunky e-bike. THAT'S the model I'd choose if only I would be able to.

 

[Browneye]

Lots of updates to the +1 then - surely it will be a lot more $$ too.

 

[Mtl_Biker]

Lots of updates to the +1 then - surely it will be a lot more $$ too.

Very unlikely that we'll see the Explore E+1 or E+1 Pro in North America. Which is a real shame.

 

[Browneye]

Very unlikely that we'll see the Explore E+1 or E+1 Pro in North America. Which is a real shame.

It could well be price point. My bet is that's a $3500 bike. I still think the sub-$2000 bike is where it's at for a basic/standard type of ebike. But surely people are willing to spend more for more features and upgraded components, innovation, or for faster specialty road bike or aggressive full-suspension mountain bike.

 

[Mtl_Biker]

It could well be price point. My bet is that's a $3500 bike. I still think the sub-$2000 bike is where it's at for a basic/standard type of ebike. But surely people are willing to spend more for more features and upgraded components, innovation, or for faster specialty road bike or aggressive full-suspension mountain bike.

Yes, but there ARE people (like me) who are willing to spend more money to get better components and a bike they really like. It could be that the folks who have been long-time cyclists as opposed to those who just want another form of transportation are more likely to appreciate the differences in components. I've been an avid cyclist for over 50 years now, and have always had top end gear because I could see and feel the difference.

I think a $3500 bike is not at all unreasonable.

 

[Browneye]

Yes, but there ARE people (like me) who are willing to spend more money to get better components and a bike they really like. It could be that the folks who have been long-time cyclists as opposed to those who just want another form of transportation are more likely to appreciate the differences in components. I've been an avid cyclist for over 50 years now, and have always had top end gear because I could see and feel the difference.

I think a $3500 bike is not at all unreasonable.

Agreed. That is, 'till you go to buy TWO.

 

[MattC]

I really like the new gravel bike, Revolt E Pro. But what is up with only a 375ah battery? Has anyone here put racks and fenders on the Tough Road?

 

[Saratoga Dave]

No to the fenders, but I did put the Metro rack on mine. Very solid, nicely done. It occurs to me after just reading another thread about fenders that due to the shape of the rack and the side pannier hangers you could fabricate up something in plastic to attacunderneath the rack that would catch just about everything.

That same thread contained a comment that the width of the downtube and battery do a pretty good job of catching stuff off the front wheel.

I’ve ridden a non electric ToughRoad and noted that they have plastic shields attached to the downtube that also function as fenders of a sort... I don’t know how they’re connected or if they could be pirated to use on the electric version, but it was interesting.

All in all, my ToughRoad continues to impress the hell out of me every day, just coming up on 2500 miles since new in April

 

[33red]

No to the fenders, but I did put the Metro rack on mine. Very solid, nicely done. It occurs to me after just reading another thread about fenders that due to the shape of the rack and the side pannier hangers you could fabricate up something in plastic to attacunderneath the rack that would catch just about everything.

That same thread contained a comment that the width of the downtube and battery do a pretty good job of catching stuff off the front wheel.

I’ve ridden a non electric ToughRoad and noted that they have plastic shields attached to the downtube that also function as fenders of a sort... I don’t know how they’re connected or if they could be pirated to use on the electric version, but it was interesting.

All in all, my ToughRoad continues to impress the hell out of me every day, just coming up on 2500 miles since new in April

Hi, i am considering a 2020 EGiant. From your experience, would you recommand getting one? From what i read about Shimano and Brose will i be getting problems? Thanks.

 

[Browneye]

From what I’ve seen the Yamaha has the least problems, new bosch cx the most boost. They’re all solid.
The 21ah in the BESV was pretty impressive- 60 mile mtb loops.
Everyone is waiting on the new Specialized mtb.
I just test-rode bosch cx, Yamaha pw, and brose. They were more similar than different. I think the bosch had the most kick, but they were all very similar. All very fast. I could get in trouble out there on a trail. LOL
If you're looking at Giant be sure to look a Haibike - they have some killer bikes in every flavor.

 

[33red]

From what I’ve seen the Yamaha has the least problems, new bosch cx the most boost. They’re all solid.
The 21ah in the BESV was pretty impressive- 60 mile mtb loops.
Everyone is waiting on the new Specialized mtb.
I just test-rode bosch cx, Yamaha pw, and brose. They were more similar than different. I think the bosch had the most kick, but they were all very similar. All very fast. I could get in trouble out there on a trail. LOL
If you're looking at Giant be sure to look a Haibike - they have some killer bikes in every flavor.

Thank you very much. In Canada Haibike distribution has been limited. I heard they have a new importer but the 2020 info is not available. My options are pretty much Giant or wait 6 months and maybe Bosch or Haibike

 

[Browneye]

Giant are very nice, well equipped and refined. Their marriage to Yamaha is a match made in heaven.
Haibike seems every bit as good with a bazillion models to suit off-roaders. The factory is blowing out 19's for black -Friday, big savings on some models. Makes them a steal-deal IMO.
Bulls with the Brose drive also lots of models at every price, Very nice looking bikes!
Turbo-Levo is driving the market. Trek is right up there too.

Sam at Fullerton Electric Bike, who has done a ton of vid-reviews with Cork, Says he never works on the Yamahas, mostly just the others. He has Bosch, brose, and Yamaha powered bikes in his shop. He seems to like Haibike the best for value for dollar. Yamaha brand bikes are nice, but not keeping up with market trends - no full suspension mtb model yet - maybe next year.
He mentioned doing $120k a month out of a mall kiosk before he got his current store front.

The Giant dealer is next door.

Mountain bike or commuter/tourer?

 

[33red]

I am 62. The last 20 years without a car i just pedal daily near Montreal, Quebec.
I kind of prefer a HT maybe 120 mm fork. I can pedal to the trails, have fun than pedal back.
Usualy 1-4 hrs/day. In europe they have more options but here we enjoy a max of 32Km/H.

 

[Browneye]

I am 62. The last 20 years without a car i just pedal daily near Montreal, Quebec.
I kind of prefer a HT maybe 120 mm fork. I can pedal to the trails, have fun than pedal back.
Usualy 1-4 hrs/day. In europe they have more options but here we enjoy a max of 32Km/H.

"HT" is a hybrid type?
But you ride trails?

62 as well. A YOUNG 62.
Frankly I think you would be happy with any of them if you have a dealer to support you, and if you're not a die-hard DIY'r. I am, so the dealer support is secondary for me, but nice to have with such an expensive toy. If it completely craps out they'll fix it for me for a time. (Giant) The wife's bike is a Frankenstein and I'm on my own on that one (hub-drive Roll). BTW, super happy with the way it turned out - a kit from China, but it does really well for her. If it holds up it will have been a cheap-date (and good).

Be sure to test ride the Explore and Quick-e if you haven't already. And if you have a Giant dealer nearby. Really nice bikes. If you have a Trek dealer, a Verve+. Can't advise you on Specialized.

Do we understand you're new to ebiking? So this is your first one? Have you test-rode any?
If you are, I think you'll be blown away. This has been like a revelation for us - you still pedal at the level you wish, but when you get tired it helps you out so you can go twice as far. The big-tired bikes just ride a lot better as well.

The Giant 2020 bikes are already out. Just a very few '19's left at the DC's.

 

[33red]

"HT" is a hybrid type?
But you ride trails?

62 as well. A YOUNG 62.
Frankly I think you would be happy with any of them if you have a dealer to support you, and if you're not a die-hard DIY'r. I am, so the dealer support is secondary for me, but nice to have with such an expensive toy. If it completely craps out they'll fix it for me for a time. (Giant) The wife's bike is a Frankenstein and I'm on my own on that one (hub-drive Roll). BTW, super happy with the way it turned out - a kit from China, but it does really well for her. If it holds up it will have been a cheap-date (and good).

Be sure to test ride the Explore and Quick-e if you haven't already. And if you have a Giant dealer nearby. Really nice bikes. If you have a Trek dealer, a Verve+. Can't advise you on Specialized.

Do we understand you're new to ebiking? So this is your first one? Have you test-rode any?
If you are, I think you'll be blown away. This has been like a revelation for us - you still pedal at the level you wish, but when you get tired it helps you out so you can go twice as far. The big-tired bikes just ride a lot better as well.

The Giant 2020 bikes are already out. Just a very few '19's left at the DC's.

HT = hard tail or some say single suspension. I just received an email i can check a small Giant fullsuspension, $4,000 and i am also interested by a $3,000 Giant hardtail. These are canadian $ or about 3,000 or 2,280 in USD. I rode a 27.5+ Ebike for 3 weeks and enjoyed that Yamaha.

 

[Mtl_Biker]

Thank you very much. In Canada Haibike distribution has been limited. I heard they have a new importer but the 2020 info is not available. My options are pretty much Giant or wait 6 months and maybe Bosch or Haibike

I see you're (also) in Montreal.

I ended up with a 2019 Giant Explore E+1 GTS and I'm very pleased with it. Especially so since going tubeless. I live in the West Island and the dealer I really like is (bit of a hike) out in Vaudreuil... the Giant dealer there. He's been absolutely super.

Anyway, waiting 6 months is probably not that big a deal as they are predicting 4+ cm of snow here later this week. Our riding season might be over pretty soon.

Also, depending on your budget, Quantum cycles at Atwater by the canal is pretty darn good, but they have high-end bikes with prices to match.

 

[Browneye]

HT = hard tail or some say single suspension. I just received an email i can check a small Giant full suspension, $4,000 and i am also interested by a $3,000 Giant hardtail. These are canadian $ or about 3,000 or 2,280 in USD. I rode a 27.5+ Ebike for 3 weeks and enjoyed that Yamaha.

If you're really riding mountain bike paths get a full suspension. It's not like you're going to lose out so much pedal-energy with shocks - your motor will make that up.
I've got the serious wants for a e-mountain bike, but wife is scoffing. I need to pay off my new bike, and she doesn't want me riding off with 'the boyz' going mountain biking. Besides, I just sold my last motorcycle after fifty years of riding - most of it on dirtbikes - so it's a natural progression. The problem is that if I land on my head one more time I'm likely to end up in a wheelchair. So I refrain.

I love the yammer mid-drive. I haven't been able to find any complaints on it anywhere. Pretty good thread here, nothing that scares me off: https://electricbikereview.com/foru...h-yamaha-products-help-solutions-fixes.13276/

 

[Rick53]

So Giant makes no Class 3 Bikes ?

 

[Browneye]

So Giant makes no Class 3 Bikes ?

Not from the factory.
When the warranty is up...then all bets are off.

 

[steve mercier]

There's no E1 (or E3) for 2020.

It's just the E2 and E4

The E1 seems to only be available in Canada and not in the US for some reason and only in remaining 2019 models. They rate the Explore E+1 GTS at 80 Nm. It looks good. Nevermind , I see they are all sold out. The 2020 specs look good on the
EXPLORE E+ 2 GTS