Garmin Questions

[Extreme1]

I just bought a 2022 Creo Comp Carbon and am looking for GPS units to mount on the handlebars and I have a couple questions. I’m thinking about a Garmin, but open to suggestions.

1) What powers the GPS unit? Internal battery or a charging wire off the bike?

2) Which Garmin unit is going to be best without breaking the bank?

3) Which handlebar mount should I get? I like the “outfront” look. My wife and I also have Levos and Vados and would like for the GPS unit to transfer over to each bike easily.


Thanks in advance.

 

[fooferdoggie]

the explore 2 would do it. you want a touch screen its so much easier to deal with.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I just bought a 2022 Creo Comp Carbon and am looking for GPS units to mount on the handlebars and I have a couple questions. I’m thinking about a Garmin, but open to suggestions.

1) What powers the GPS unit? Internal battery or a charging wire off the bike?

Internal rechargeable battery.

2) Which Garmin unit is going to be best without breaking the bank?

Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt or Roam. Wahoo computers understand the SL Range Extender. If you insist on Garmin Edge, the least expensive that will work is 530, although the newer 540 is better in terms of its operation (several 530 vices have been fixed).

3) Which handlebar mount should I get? I like the “outfront” look. My wife and I also have Levos and Vados and would like for the GPS unit to transfer over to each bike easily.

A stem mount would be the best for drop bars. If infeasible, an out-front mount would work; it needs to be installed closely to the stem (that's where the diameter is 31.8 mm).

If you are interested, I can ask any question on Wahoo computers and their mounts.

the explore 2 would do it. you want a touch screen its so much easier to deal with.

Steve, you don't own a Specialized SL e-bike, so your advice is uninformed a little bit Sorry!

 

[MartsEbike]

On @Stefan Mikes recommendation I checked out the Wahoo computers and I'm impressed!

I did notice on the Wahoo website that they're releasing a new cycle computer soon. Just how soon I don't know!

Not sure if I should purchase now or hold out for the new version. (I need that data! )

 

[Extreme1]

Thanks Stephan, do the ones you’ve suggested have a touchscreen? I really don’t want to learn all the push buttons on another device. A touchscreen sounds easy.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Steve, you don't own a Specialized SL e-bike, so your advice is uninformed a little bit Sorry!

nope it answered his question. he said nothing about integrating it into the bike. he asked about the price mostly.

 

[Allan47.7339]

I use the K-Edge mounts on my Creo's. Most bike computer units have touchscreens unless you want the least expensive versions. I use a Garmin 1050 because of the map features and I have watches and hiking units in the Garmin ecosystem. The most commonly seen on US rides are Garmin or Wahoo (SRAM). Occassionally I will see a Hammerhead.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Thanks Stephan, do the ones you’ve suggested have a touchscreen? I really don’t want to learn all the push buttons on another device. A touchscreen sounds easy.

If you want the touchscreen, it has to be a Garmin Edge starting from models 830/840. There are several downsides of Garmin GPS bike computers:

• Glossy screen, so the visibility is poor in full sunshine
• All configuration changes must be done on the device, which is quite tricky
• Garmin Edge does not recognise the SL Range Extender (Hammerhead Karoo doesn't, either)
• Garmin devices are unnecessarily big
• The touchscreen capability looses its appeal when your ride is full of vibration, when it rains, or you need to use regular full finger gloves (yes, there are some gloves that allow operating touchscreens). For this reasons many Garmin users later buy a button remote...

Overall, Garmin EDGE computers are good and respected. Compared, Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt or Roam:

• Matte, perfectly visible screen in any conditions
• All configuration changes are done from a smartphone
• Wahoo is the only GPS e-bike computer that can recognise the SL Range Extender battery
• Wahoo computers have a small footprint but a pretty large screen area, plus several useful LEDs (I prefer the Roam, had all Roam 1, Bolt 2 and Roam 2).
• Wahoo has big buttons of perfect action. Actually, you need to depress only one of the buttons during the ride (to switch data screens). Good for all weather and any gloves.

The customised Workout data screen of Wahoo ELEMNT Roam (the current version). The large right button is all what you need to push on the ride to get to Summit or Navigation screens. See the Main and RE battery levels shown separately.

nope it answered his question. he said nothing about integrating it into the bike. he asked about the price mostly.

Yes but he rides a Specialized e-bike. Garmin Explore has limitations related to its use on a Specialized e-bike. @MartsEbike owns one, and he tells me he does not get all the data from his ride I'm getting. On the other hand, my brother happily uses his Garmin 530 with his Giant e-bike, and I know Garmin 530 can do the same as a Wahoo regarding Specialized e-bikes (but not the SL RE readout).

 

[MartsEbike]

Yes but he rides a Specialized e-bike. Garmin Explore has limitations related to its use on a Specialized e-bike. @MartsEbike owns one, and he tells me he does not get all the data from his ride I'm getting.

Yep I have a Garmin Edge Explore (Gen 1). Its a good cycle computer given its price point but it does have a few faults, they've hopefully addressed this in the newer Gen 2 version.

It has a big 3" screen and it is touchscreen. It also has Power, Start/Pause and Reset buttons. They claim it has a 12hr battery life but in my experience you'll be lucky to see 8 hours. Routing is generally ok for roads/paths, but if you ride off-road/singletrack you might wish to upgrade to something better.

They do support connecting to various sensors and items, for example, Cadence, Heart Rate, Lights, Radar, VIRB and ebikes.

It also supports basic data logging. Direction, Speed, Cadence and Heart Rate. (using compatible sensors/devices connected to the garmin!)

You can also connect to an ebike using the "ebike sensor", but this is bike data rather than rider data. For example. Odometer, Charge Cycles, Distance on Current Charge, Battery Voltage, Battery Temp, Motor Temp, Assist Mode and Gear system.

I have had no luck reporting rider data to Strava, Komoot or Trailforks. Yet I have clearly see that @Stefan Mikes cycle computer does report rider data to these websites. In all fairness, Garmin make no claims that the Edge Explore 1 can do this. The higher models like the Edge 530 / 540 on the other hand do advertise that they record full rider data.

Full list of data fields

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Yep I have a Garmin Edge Explore (Gen 1). Its a good cycle computer given its price point but it does have a few faults, they've hopefully addressed this in the newer Gen 2 version.

It has a big 3" screen and it is touchscreen. It also has Power, Start/Pause and Reset buttons. They claim it has a 12hr battery life but in my experience you'll be lucky to see 8 hours. Routing is generally ok for roads/paths, but if you ride off-road/singletrack you might wish to upgrade to something better.

They do support connecting to various sensors and items, for example, Cadence, Heart Rate, Lights, Radar, VIRB and ebikes.

It also supports basic data logging. Direction, Speed, Cadence and Heart Rate. (using compatible sensors/devices connected to the garmin!)

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You can also connect to an ebike using the "ebike sensor", but this is bike data rather than rider data. For example. Odometer, Charge Cycles, Distance on Current Charge, Battery Voltage, Battery Temp, Motor Temp, Assist Mode and Gear system.

I have had no luck reporting rider data to Strava, Komoot or Trailforks. Yet I have clearly see that @Stefan Mikes cycle computer does report rider data to these websites. In all fairness, Garmin make no claims that the Edge Explore 1 can do this. The higher models like the Edge 530 / 540 on the other hand do advertise that they record full rider data.

Full list of data fields
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Marts, the information that higher models provide includes not only the full set of e-bike data (LEV ANT+) but also Rider's Power (it is called W(xs) in Wahoo). The latter makes use of SL motor power meter.

 

[MartsEbike]

Marts, the information that higher models provide includes not only the full set of e-bike data (LEV ANT+) but also Rider's Power (it is called W(xs) in Wahoo). The latter makes use of SL motor power meter.

Ah yeah sorry if I wasn't clear! Yep the higher models log full data from all of the sensors available. Its just the Edge Explore 1 (and I'm assuming 2) don't do this. It just displays certain data rather than logging it.

I'm looking to upgrade myself soon due to this. I notice Wahoo's new cycle computer looks set to be released on the 3rd December. So may wait to see if its worth buying. Some of the top end Garmins are £500-600+ and I don't know if I'll get the value out of it. The Wahoo might be a better option.

 

[6zfshdb]

Many Garmin GPS receivers work on internal rechargeable batteries but can also be powered from a USB port. The USB port will also recharge the batteries while in use.

I have several Garmin units but I much prefer the Montana 700i. It's mostly a handheld model and not specifically a biking GPS, but it will log some fitness data. I like the larger screen and detailed topo map set. It is also compatible with Garmin's Inreach satellite text service with true global coverage. I ride in remote locations, often with no cell service, so it's a comfort to know I can always get help if necessary. At $700 US, it's quite pricey though.

There are many mounting options on the market but I prefer those from RAM. Whatever model you choose, I suggest you get one that articulates so it can be adjusted to eliminate sun glare off the screen.

 

[Extreme1]

nope it answered his question. he said nothing about integrating it into the bike. he asked about the price mostly.

Sorry for the lack of information. Yes I want it to integrate with the Creo, as most of the time it will be mounted on that bike. If possible I’d like to be able to move it to my Vado and Levo. My wife and I ride our Vados the most because they are easy and have a storage bag on the back, but I’m not sure I need a GPS on a bike that we ride around town on. With the Levos we go into the mountains and ride trails that we get lost on sometimes, so I’m thinking that the GPS should mount on my Levo and the Creo only.

If I’m all jacked up on my thinking, please let me know.

 

[Extreme1]

I use the K-Edge mounts on my Creo's. Most bike computer units have touchscreens unless you want the least expensive versions. I use a Garmin 1050 because of the map features and I have watches and hiking units in the Garmin ecosystem. The most commonly seen on US rides are Garmin or Wahoo (SRAM). Occassionally I will see a Hammerhead.

I just looked at the K-edge mounts online. They look well made, thanks for the advice.

 

[MartsEbike]

Sorry for the lack of information. Yes I want it to integrate with the Creo, as most of the time it will be mounted on that bike. If possible I’d like to be able to move it to my Vado and Levo. My wife and I ride our Vados the most because they are easy and have a storage bag on the back, but I’m not sure I need a GPS on a bike that we ride around town on. With the Levos we go into the mountains and ride trails that we get lost on sometimes, so I’m thinking that the GPS should mount on my Levo and the Creo only.

If I’m all jacked up on my thinking, please let me know.

I think I agree with @fooferdoggie , the Garmin Edge Explore 2 sounds like it will meet your needs.. Its a good device for those mainly wanting a navigation device. Big 3" display, and touchscreen so its easy to change settings etc... It packs quite a lot of features considering its price point.

If you're more of athletic person that cares about stats you might wish to choose another model, but if this doesn't bother you then its perfect.

Integrating it fully on the bike is going to be challenging. You'll no doubt need to charge it in your house but honestly what you gain in features more than makes up for it.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Sorry for the lack of information. Yes I want it to integrate with the Creo, as most of the time it will be mounted on that bike. If possible I’d like to be able to move it to my Vado and Levo. My wife and I ride our Vados the most because they are easy and have a storage bag on the back, but I’m not sure I need a GPS on a bike that we ride around town on. With the Levos we go into the mountains and ride trails that we get lost on sometimes, so I’m thinking that the GPS should mount on my Levo and the Creo only.

If I’m all jacked up on my thinking, please let me know.

I easily transfer my Wahoo between a Vado and a Vado SL. The device detects the nearest e-bike which has been paired, and which is active.

The Wahoo is a must for my Vado SL as SL e-bikes have no display (unless it is the Mastermind TCU, which can show only a limited data set at a time). Even if my "big" Vado has a display, I can see all relevant data on a single Wahoo Roam screen, and can easily switch to Navigation or to Summit. I usually have the Summit (Climbing) off on the plains but that screen launches automatically whenever a climb, which is at least 3% grade and at least 300 m long has been detected. Effectively, I can switch between Workout and Navigation with single button clicks.

I have also found operating the touchscreen in rough terrain is... difficult While there is no problem to operate the device with large solid buttons regardless any vibration.

 

[Extreme1]

Thanks

I easily transfer my Wahoo between a Vado and a Vado SL. The device detects the nearest e-bike which has been paired, and which is active.

The Wahoo is a must for my Vado SL as SL e-bikes have no display (unless it is the Mastermind TCU, which can show only a limited data set at a time). Even if my "big" Vado has a display, I can see all relevant data on a single Wahoo Roam screen, and can easily switch to Navigation or to Summit. I usually have the Summit (Climbing) off on the plains but that screen launches automatically whenever a climb, which is at least 3% grade and at least 300 m long has been detected. Effectively, I can switch between Workout and Navigation with single button clicks.

I have also found operating the touchscreen in rough terrain is... difficult While there is no problem to operate the device with large solid buttons regardless any vibration.

Stephan, I just looked at the Wahoo’s online. The three buttons on the bottom control all the functions? I’m thinking the Roam might be the best for me, I like the ability to have one computer that will work for my new Creo and my Levo. I’ll just have to buy a second mount. Does the computer turn and lock into place in the mount?

Another question: I wear reading glasses to see anything I’m reading. Is the screen and font big enough that I’ll be able to see it without putting my reading glasses on?

Getting old sucks !

 

[mogulman]

If you want the touchscreen, it has to be a Garmin Edge starting from models 830/840. There are several downsides of Garmin GPS bike computers:

• Glossy screen, so the visibility is poor in full sunshine
• All configuration changes must be done on the device, which is quite tricky
• Garmin Edge does not recognise the SL Range Extender (Hammerhead Karoo doesn't, either)
• Garmin devices are unnecessarily big
• The touchscreen capability looses its appeal when your ride is full of vibration, when it rains, or you need to use regular full finger gloves (yes, there are some gloves that allow operating touchscreens). For this reasons many Garmin users later buy a button remote...

Overall, Garmin EDGE computers are good and respected. Compared, Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt or Roam:

• Matte, perfectly visible screen in any conditions
• All configuration changes are done from a smartphone
• Wahoo is the only GPS e-bike computer that can recognise the SL Range Extender battery
• Wahoo computers have a small footprint but a pretty large screen area, plus several useful LEDs (I prefer the Roam, had all Roam 1, Bolt 2 and Roam 2).
• Wahoo has big buttons of perfect action. Actually, you need to depress only one of the buttons during the ride (to switch data screens). Good for all weather and any gloves.

View attachment 185258
The customised Workout data screen of Wahoo ELEMNT Roam (the current version). The large right button is all what you need to push on the ride to get to Summit or Navigation screens. See the Main and RE battery levels shown separately.


Yes but he rides a Specialized e-bike. Garmin Explore has limitations related to its use on a Specialized e-bike. @MartsEbike owns one, and he tells me he does not get all the data from his ride I'm getting. On the other hand, my brother happily uses his Garmin 530 with his Giant e-bike, and I know Garmin 530 can do the same as a Wahoo regarding Specialized e-bikes (but not the SL RE readout).

I'd recommend a Garmin 840. Don't get the 540, as the newer Garmin OS really is better with Touchscreen. I use a Garmin 840 and previous to that a Garmin 530. The 840 is also faster at doing many things than the 530/830.

From Stefan's list that I disagree with about Garmin computers:

• Glossy screen, so the visibility is poor in full sunshine. (It is glossy but I can see it fine).
• All configuration changes must be done on the device, which is quite tricky (not true)
• Garmin devices are unnecessarily big. (easier to see)
• The touchscreen capability looses its appeal when your ride is full of vibration, when it rains, or you need to use regular full finger gloves (yes, there are some gloves that allow operating touchscreens). For this reasons many Garmin users later buy a button remote... (You can use the buttons on the sides of the 840 without using the touchscreen).

I get all the data from my ebike that I need. So not sure what people are referring to.

Edge Explore 2 would also be good, but it seems to be a bit slower than the 840. If you are using the device for navigation a lot, I would think the quicker interface on the 840 is better. You may be able to find the 840 at a discount so it isn't that much difference in price from the explore 2.

If you want an objective review, DC Rainmaker's site has a good review of all Wahoo vs Garmin vs Hammerhead. https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2024/05/bike-bike-gps-2024-garmin-hammerhead-karoo-review.html

 

[Stefan Mikes]

All configuration changes must be done on the device, which is quite tricky (not true)

Is it now possible to configure/reconfigure all Garmin data screens solely from the smartphone?

Edge Explore 2 would also be good, but it seems to be a bit slower than the 840. If you are using the device for navigation a lot, I would think the quicker interface on the 840 is better. You may be able to find the 840 at a discount so it isn't that much difference in price from the explore 2.

Did you use this computer on a Specialized SL e-bike? Are you getting the power meter readouts? Is the Range Extender e-bike battery % reported?

If you want an objective review, DC Rainmaker's site has a good review of all Wahoo vs Garmin vs Hammerhead. https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2024/05/bike-bike-gps-2024-garmin-hammerhead-karoo-review.html

I read it and took part in the discussion. DC Rainmaker explained how a vice of x30s has been fixed by Garmin in x40s (now you can load a new Course while you are recording the ride; it was not possible before).

 

[mogulman]

Is it now possible to configure/reconfigure all Garmin data screens solely from the smartphone?


Did you use this computer on a Specialized SL e-bike? Are you getting the power meter readouts? Is the Range Extender e-bike battery % reported?


I read it and took part in the discussion. DC Rainmaker explained how a vice of x30s has been fixed by Garmin in x40s (now you can load a new Course while you are recording the ride; it was not possible before).

Stefan,

I know you love your Wahoo. I really like Garmin. So I'm not going to argue which is better, because they are both good devices. I use it on an SL.

It is possible to configure data screens from a smart phone. At least the screens I use. I do get all the data from my bikes (giant and specialized), battery level of the bike plus extender, power level, cadence, power. I get alerts from my AXS derailleur as well as getting my gear from the AXS. I also use it with Polar and rhythm BT/ant+ HRMs.

I also really love Garmin support. They have been really good to me. Although I understand that Wahoo is good too.

That's true about loading a new destination while in the middle of a ride. There were workarounds in the 530 series but it works by default on the 840.