does 35-40mph throttle only 30 mile range under $5k exist
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mschwett
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that's going to be tough to find at a shop, in particular, since it would be illegal to ride pretty much everywhere public in the united states.
maybe an electric motorcycle?
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Taylor57
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Frey CC, 38 mph throttle only. Close to your price range and mileage dream. Mine was 3800 a couple of years back, I think they have gone up in price however...
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that's going to be tough to find at a shop, in particular, since it would be illegal to ride pretty much everywhere public in the united states.
maybe an electric motorcycle?
2020 CSC City Slicker review: A $2,895 electric motorcycle that feels just right for the city
I have frequently written about the benefits of electric motorcycles and how they can play a large role in saving...
thanks, and that would be fun but I need to get back into biking for some exercise and a little fun. I probably don't need the 40mph but I have some pretty steep hills near me.
Frey CC, 38 mph throttle only. Close to your price range and mileage dream. Mine was 3800 a couple of years back, I think they have gone up in price however...
FREY CC step-through full suspension electric bike
CC option accessories for choice: Front and rear lights, dropper seat post. CC Geometry & main specifications: CC details showed: CC main features: FREY’s innovative step-through full suspension frame construction design, suitable for more people to ride, from younger to elder, from men to...
Thanks, frey has come up before in my search. I'll need to read up more on them. How's that bafang motor holding up? Looks like one of the most powerful options out there.
mschwett
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the hill climbing will be more about power than speed - it takes well over 1000 watts to take 250lb up a 6% grade at the 28mph limit of a class 3 bike. a higher speed limit will really only be useful on level ground, at the cost of being able to legally ride it on paths and bike lanes and so on.
jabberwocky
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This. Power and gearing. Most any mid drive should take almost anyone up any hill you'll find on a road with proper gearing, albeit maybe not at full speed. Steep hills don't automatically require thousands of watts and bikes that can go 40mph.
On that note, 35-40mph is very fast on bicycle components. If you don't have experience cycling, I definitely wouldn't set that requirement in stone. As others have noted, anything that can throttle that fast won't be legal on roads or any bike infrastructure anyway (unless its registered as a moped/motorcycle, which would at least make it legal on roads).
Taylor57
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Not sure. I sold it awhile back. It ran like a top while I owned it. My only knock was it was a little heavy for my doings. Have since graduated or been demoted to lightweight ebikes!
Rexlion
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I was on a 40 mph 5-lane for a couple of miles yesterday (headed someplace in particular), so I cranked the ebike up to 27 mph. It's rather unnerving to me, going that fast on a bicycle. I was glad to get back to MUP and take it down below 20.
I recall a cheap ebike (available on Amazon) for which one of the reviewers claimed he'd found a code on the net to unlock the speed limiter on his, and he'd gotten it up to 42mph. I don't recall the brand now, though.
edit: I found it in my browsing history, it's the Accolmile Cola Bear. Review by purchaser "Amy Brown" says code is 1919.
I recall a cheap ebike (available on Amazon) for which one of the reviewers claimed he'd found a code on the net to unlock the speed limiter on his, and he'd gotten it up to 42mph. I don't recall the brand now, though.
edit: I found it in my browsing history, it's the Accolmile Cola Bear. Review by purchaser "Amy Brown" says code is 1919.
Stefan Mikes
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Yet another Darwin Award candidate.
Taylor57
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I disagree. If you want exercise from an ebike, you absolutely need a throttle. I think about the times I stopped on an incline and had to keep going up. Turning around wasnt an option. A quick burst of my throttle and I was able to get situated on the bike and continue my trek. Or, I'm at a stoplight at a busy intersection and that little burst of throttle helped me get a great jump and keep up with flow. Dont listen to the anti throttle folks-they are living in a differenct world than most of us. Whether it be their pride or ego, dont listen to them. GET A THROTTLE IF U HAVE THE OPTION
fooferdoggie
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except I do that on my mid drive all the time. I have actually popped a wheelie when feeling really good. a throttle has nothing to do with exercise. The things your saying you need a trottle for are the things that a hub drive and a cadence sensor causes. not knocking it but just keeping it real. using your gearing right will limit these problems a lot.
jabberwocky
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This is ridiculous. You absolutely do not need a throttle for any ebike. This is extra true if your intent is to exercise. Throttles can paper over poor technique (forgetting to shift into a proper gear before stopping at an intersection, approaching a hill, etc) but thats all stuff you can simply learn to do. I've been riding ebikes for years (and normal bikes for decades) and have never once needed a throttle.
Throttles have their place, especially in urban environments with a lot of start/stopping or bikes that carry loads. If you want one, definitely get one. But they aren't a necessity.
If Darwin didn't get me yet after my first 40 years of biking/motorcycyling/racing then I'll take my chances with a 30-40mph e bike. And if he does so be it, I already procreated 
I got Lyme and a few of there buddies a few years ago, totally flipped my life around. I'm barely back to functioning. My old shogun was faster then these speeds down hill and pretty close on flat ground.
I definitely want the throttle, I found a used Himiway I may try. Says only up to 20 but maybe theres a hack has a 1000w motor.
Frey looks like a posiblity but I was hoping if I spend 5k it would be from a LBS. Am I wrong thinking ordering over the web is more of a gamble? I also assume it would be easier to sell if it's a household name like trek/giant/specialized.
Any other model suggestions?
I got Lyme and a few of there buddies a few years ago, totally flipped my life around. I'm barely back to functioning. My old shogun was faster then these speeds down hill and pretty close on flat ground.
I definitely want the throttle, I found a used Himiway I may try. Says only up to 20 but maybe theres a hack has a 1000w motor.
Frey looks like a posiblity but I was hoping if I spend 5k it would be from a LBS. Am I wrong thinking ordering over the web is more of a gamble? I also assume it would be easier to sell if it's a household name like trek/giant/specialized.
Any other model suggestions?
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jabberwocky
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Your main issue will be you could be on your own if you have a problem. Bike shops vary as to how willing they are to work on mail order bikes. Even if they are, they may not be able to do much if something in the electrical system breaks. Try and make sure the company has a good reputation for handling problems, and seems like it will be around for a while.
jabberwocky
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If Darwin didn't get me yet after my first 40 years of biking/motorcycyling/racing then I'll take my chances with a 30-40mph e bike. And if he does so be it, I already procreated
I got Lyme and a few of there buddies a few years ago, totally flipped my life around. I'm barely back to functioning. My old shogun was faster then these speeds down hill and pretty close on flat ground.
Oof. Lyme sucks.
Just make sure whatever you get has good brakes. A lot of the light-motorcycle style bikes just go for power and skimp on components. Upgrade them if you need to. Hydraulic brakes, minimum 8" rotors, good pads. Anything rated for downhill mountainbike use should be alright.
m@Robertson
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I would definitely build my own. A BBSHD gives you 160Nm on paper, but in reality it simply gives you the ability to climb the steepest, longest grade without consequences to the motor. Forget about 40 mph. Specify that number and you take yourself out of the realm of ordinary - even DIY - bikes and are in quasi-motorcycle territory. Besides, even with a BBSHD running a 52v battery that peaks out at 1750w... here's the reality check: You will gear that bike down to get up a steep hill and you'll end up going 10 mph thanks to the use of proper gearing and pedal assist. People who don't know think all that wattage and those big-sounding Nm numbers result in a superfast bike. They don't. Especially with a middle-aged, no-longer-130-lb rider sitting on them. the speed comes on flat ground as I think someone else already has pointed out. A 52v BBSHD on flat pavement is going to peak at around 33-35 mph (but it will need most of a city block to get up to that). Try to get it higher and you need a gear so tall it bogs the motor.
10 mph without you popping a blood vessel or the motor overheating is a big deal. Its a great ride. It'll last forever if you do it right. And you sure won't blow 5 grand on it.
For a DIY bike that hits 40 mph, yes you can do it with a Cyc X1 motor, the BAC2000 controller option and a 72v battery. Also a BBSHD + Ludicrous controller, or one of the BAC controller kits. But emergency braking from 40 mph on bicycle wheels - even if you've beefed up to 203mm front+rear and 4 pistons per caliper - is a real dicey affair. And it will burn thru parts a whole lot faster.
p.s. get a throttle. Its easy to discipline yourself to pedal and you will never regret using it the times you want to. One soon-after-work date where you throttle home so you don't hug your lady like a big sweathog and you'll know it was a smart move.
10 mph without you popping a blood vessel or the motor overheating is a big deal. Its a great ride. It'll last forever if you do it right. And you sure won't blow 5 grand on it.
For a DIY bike that hits 40 mph, yes you can do it with a Cyc X1 motor, the BAC2000 controller option and a 72v battery. Also a BBSHD + Ludicrous controller, or one of the BAC controller kits. But emergency braking from 40 mph on bicycle wheels - even if you've beefed up to 203mm front+rear and 4 pistons per caliper - is a real dicey affair. And it will burn thru parts a whole lot faster.
p.s. get a throttle. Its easy to discipline yourself to pedal and you will never regret using it the times you want to. One soon-after-work date where you throttle home so you don't hug your lady like a big sweathog and you'll know it was a smart move.
AHicks
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I think once you ride this 40mph bike a few times, the novelty will be gone, and from that point the need for 40mph will be a moot issue. It takes HUGE power to go 40mph, or even 25mph for that matter. Range at that kind of speed is going to suck.... Once you see what these speeds do to the distance you can go on a charge first hand, that's going to slow you down, lessen the interest in a lot of speed.
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Flannel Guy
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Watt Wagons is based in Newton MA and is making quality ebikes. Take a look at Hydra black. I discovered this place after buying an entry level ebike and was looking for someone local to repair it, and after seeing the quality parts they were using on their bikes, I bought one. Best purchase I have made, now I can ride anywhere on any surface.
I bought my first bike from Ebikes of New England up in NH. They carry a wide range of bikes and the owners seemed like good people who have been selling ebikes for quite a while. Their website is usually up to date with current stock.
Flannel Guy
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I agree, no one needs a throttle even hub motor ebikes. But are nice to have and for the less experienced can be considered a safety device. On my high powered mid drive I use it pretty much only for low speed applications like mounting the bike, u-turns, getting over a rocky section where you would otherwise pedal strike. I use it more often on my 500w hub bike to get through intersections quicker after stopping and to get full power out of the motor when going uphill as the torque sensor never puts out max power by pedalling alone.
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