California tries to limit to 250 watt???

[sg5y]

How absurd is this??? They can't do that if people bought 500 watt bikes before they changed the rule..no????Would anyone on this forum actually obey a new law like that? Another reason why so many people hate California.
I will ride my 750 wherever and whenever I want on the planet earth... whats the chance that that will pass? will Newsome sign that?

 

[fooferdoggie]

How absurd is this??? They can't do that if people bought 500 watt bikes before they changed the rule..no????Would anyone on this forum actually obey a new law like that? Another reason why so many people hate California.
I will ride my 750 wherever and whenever I want on the planet earth... whats the chance that that will pass? will Newsome sign that?

cool your jets if it did pas it would be a grandfather thing.

 

[mschwett]

this is the inevitable result of the "we don't want any (even reasonable) regulations on ebikes, personal responsibility and enforcement will be enough" crowd. enforcement is very hard without licensing and insurance and registration, and you can basically buy anything you want at this point, manufacturers just put "*for use on private property only" in the fine print and sell away.

the result is kids riding e-motorcyles on sidewalks, adults riding e-motorcycles on trails, etc.

i doubt this will come to pass but of course any elected government has the right to control what kinds of vehicles people use on public roads and trails. if people even remotely followed the current rules, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[DaveMatthews]

this is the inevitable result of the "we don't want any (even reasonable) regulations on ebikes, personal responsibility and enforcement will be enough" crowd. enforcement is very hard without licensing and insurance and registration, and you can basically buy anything you want at this point, manufacturers just put "*for use on private property only" in the fine print and sell away.

the result is kids riding e-motorcyles on sidewalks, adults riding e-motorcycles on trails, etc.

i doubt this will come to pass but of course any elected government has the right to control what kinds of vehicles people use on public roads and trails. if people even remotely followed the current rules, this wouldn't be an issue.

Over the last couple of weeks or so I commonly see a local kid on an e-motorcycle type machine. He's all over the sidewalks, while his buddy on a scooter is on the road.
The e-motorcycle has the pedals removed completely (if they were ever there).
Not that I wish harm or malice on anyone, but I'm kind of hoping the cops shut him down here (Canada). It's NOT a bicycle. I do NOT want to be associated with such behaviour.
I don't need my Class 1 experience to be screwed up by having these people lumped in to my category...

 

[indianajo]

It takes 1000 w to get me & 60 lb groceries up several 6-12% hills. I have burnt up 3 750 watt motors, the first or second trip. 1000 w is now illegal in 41 states. I cannot buy a replacement for the one with a slipping clutch. On to a 7000 lb vehicle, dead dinosaur powered, a F150. Burn up the globe, fools!
Oh, yeah, I could gear down to 1 mph and ride a Bosch or Specialized. I don't have the patience to take 6 hours each way for my weekly grocery & mail run. I can't even keep the path straight at 1 mph. The 1000 w motors could maintain a scorching 8 mph average in hilly Clark Cty. Scandalous! 12 winding motors will only go 23 mph on the flat, but no legislature cares about that.

 

[DaveMatthews]

It takes 1000 w to get me & 60 lb groceries up several 6-12% hills. I have burnt up 3 750 watt motors, the first or second trip. 1000 w is now illegal in 41 states. I cannot buy a replacement for the one with a slipping clutch. On to a 7000 lb vehicle, dead dinosaur powered, a F150. Burn up the globe, fools!
Oh, yeah, I could gear down to 1 mph and ride a Bosch or Specialized. I don't have the patience to take 6 hours each way for my weekly grocery & mail run. I can't even keep the path straight at 1 mph. The 1000 w motors could maintain a scorching 8 mph average in hilly Clark Cty. Scandalous! 12 winding motors will only go 23 mph on the flat, but no legislature cares about that.

Works for me.
The way you run is OK by me.

 

[Chargeride]

Its very unlikely to be 250W peak, it will be the EU model of 250 continuous...whatever they can get away with till a child dies peak.

It will morph into gps speed and position geofencing, so will cars.

I did warn you of this many years ago, but you presumed it would never happen in the land of the free.

This London Janglish bruv video is probably impossible to understand for most Americans, but its actually quite a good insight into hiding or obeying from the law in the UK

Entertaining in a street way.

 

[Chazmo]

How absurd is this??? They can't do that if people bought 500 watt bikes before they changed the rule..no????Would anyone on this forum actually obey a new law like that? Another reason why so many people hate California.
I will ride my 750 wherever and whenever I want on the planet earth... whats the chance that that will pass? will Newsome sign that?

I won’t get into Newsom… But if 250W is what’s being proposed as an absolutely limit, that is ridiculous. It’s good that there’s a Federal effort underway.

@Chargeride is 250 really the limit in Europe? And, by the way, what does continuous mean in terms of legislation. That’s nutz.

 

[spokewrench]

I won’t get into Newsom… But if 250W is what’s being proposed as an absolutely limit, that is ridiculous. It’s good that there’s a Federal effort underway.

@Chargeride is 250 really the limit in Europe? And, by the way, what does continuous mean in terms of legislation. That’s nutz.

I read the bill the other day. It starts by saying 750 watts peak for cargo bikes. "Peak" still sounds bad. That's one approach, though. Cargo bikes are longer and heavier, making them less appealing to juveniles.

I've read that 250 watts is a motor manufacturer's rating, certifying that it will produce 250 watts continuously without overheating. It may in fact be able to produce 750 watts continuously without overheating. Rating it at 250 makes it legal in Europe. I guess it would also discourage juvenile daredevils.

 

[RunForTheHills]

I read the bill the other day. It starts by saying 750 watts peak for cargo bikes. "Peak" still sounds bad. That's one approach, though. Cargo bikes are longer and heavier, making them less appealing to juveniles.

I've read that 250 watts is a motor manufacturer's rating, certifying that it will produce 250 watts continuously without overheating. It may in fact be able to produce 750 watts continuously without overheating. Rating it at 250 makes it legal in Europe. I guess it would also discourage juvenile daredevils.

I think that making complicated laws with carve outs for cargo bikes being allowed 750 watts just make these laws harder/impossible to enforce. Many police officers don't understand the current ebike laws.

 

[gromike]

I must of been prescient when I bought this old ebike last summer:

It's a Giant Twist Freedom DX W, 2010 I believe. It is such a slow, gutless thing, and was destined for my personal ebike museum to highlight how far we have come in ebike development. Now, I have found that the past is the future, and this bike might be destined to be my "only" ebike after the coming apocalypse.

 

[spokewrench]

I think that making complicated laws with carve outs for cargo bikes being allowed 750 watts just make these laws harder/impossible to enforce. Many police officers don't understand the current ebike laws.

I think the bill proposes what can be manufactured or sold in California. Hmmm... if it passes, and I lived there, I wonder if I could order a hotter bike or controller from out of state...

 

[spokewrench]

I must of been prescient when I bought this old ebike last summer:
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It's a Giant Twist Freedom DX W, 2010 I believe. It is such a slow, gutless thing, and was destined for my personal ebike museum to highlight how far we have come in ebike development. Now, I have found that the past is the future, and this bike might be destined to be my "only" ebike after the coming apocalypse.

Nice bike!

 

[stompandgo]

I love my Pinarello cargo bike. It's always hauling cargo. My fat ass.

 

[Gionnirocket]

cool your jets if it did pas it would be a grandfather thing.

That's discrimination!
My grandfather has always been a power hound and he loves his Surron