Ebiker01
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Those damn 20% LCT(luxury car tax) .... it should not be considered a luxury car . The LT is almost 100k..that should be illegal.
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Those damn 20% LCT(luxury car tax) .... it should not be considered a luxury car . The LT is almost 100k..that should be illegal.
I've been driving a long time and I've never plowed into a lot up fire truck in broad daylight. . Never sad "FSD" will never be "there" just saying I've been hearing that forever. "Drive itself across the country in 2017"....
First of all you're a bit conservative on some of those cars range and second of all a lot of them are significantly cheaper than a comparable Tesla. And they actually have a decent paint job. I live 3.7 miles from work so 250 miles range is plenty if it saves me a lot of money.I think that the a lot of those buyers they went with the brand that they were in love with b4 Tesla but they didn't realize that the range it's very important; basically in the winter the range will drop probably up to 30% less , maybe up to 50% if you have a lot of weight on the car , Sweden\Norway winter and a hilly terrain.
All those EV's have less then 250 miles range ( most top at 200miles) . Tesla 3 LR has 355milesof range . Audi E tron has 200miles range and is a lot heavier.
4031lb vs 5699lb !!!
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pmcdonald
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Absolutely, a certain portion of people are going to buy what they're comfortable with. Jump into an ID.3 and it's not going to be a dramatically different experience from an ICE Golf. Many would find that a comforting transition.
According to Dr Google and a 2012/13 survey the average Norwegian motorist makes 3.26 trips a day, averaging 14.5 km per trip. The average EV on that list can comfortably accommodate that, even in winter. As with Ebike batteries, the range people want versus the range they need can be two very different things.
Obviously not the right solution for everyone though. For example, I make enough 200 - 500 km trips that - even if I could afford one - an EV isn't quite the best fit without a change in travel habits.
Lets not forget some of these options are also slightly to substantially cheaper than an entry model Tesla too. Life is expensive enough in Norway from my limited experience! I love what Tesla is doing. I just acknowledge there's a gaping hole in the marketplace for semi-affordable EVs.
Ebiker01
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It does take some time, I agree that Mr . EM tends to be too optimistic with the dates , but Audi ,VW, Ford,Gm , Cadillac, Toyota right now are much farther behind.
Toyota is actually tosted -180.000.000$ fine 2 days ago !!
In the meantime until that FSD comes out , next week is possible that we can watch SpaceX Starship hovering up to 15km , bellyflop ,and safely landing hopefully .
What does SpaceX have to do with FSD?
Exactly, I live 3.7 miles from work and almost never drive 200 miles without stopping. I don't need 400 mike's range, all else equal I'll take it but not for $100,000. Also the ID3 will be screwed together better than a $140,000 model X
Ebiker01
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chips
Prove it
Stefan Mikes
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Late to this thread, and coming from a country with almost zero EV infrastructure (that Poland is):
Norway is a very specific country (the other is Switzerland). One of the richest countries in the world, and the richest of European countries (both Norway and Switzerland are richer than the United States, per capita). The whole population of Norway can be compared by number to that of South Carolina. Norway (and Switzerland) are based on hydropower (no natural gas or coal used by the population or the industry, and crude oil is only processed for ICE car/lorry use). Moreover, the government promotes the EV very strongly. For instance, the registration tax on a new ICE car in Norway might be equal to 100% of the car's price, especially for luxury cars. Meanwhile, EVs are exempted from all non-recurring taxes in Norway.
I don't think Norway or Switzerland could be model countries for the rest of the world regarding the EV use. Just my to øre.
pmcdonald
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Agreed. I only brought up the case of Norway as a fascinating petri dish of EVs. I also see it as an example of initial market dominance by Telsa steadily becoming diversified as other offerings come online. Not suggesting their incentives could or should be copied by other countries.
Anyway, good to see a little civility return to the discussion here. Takk!
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john peck
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This country has quietly embarked on a neodymium recovery program from solution.. not really new
but more refined. new deposits are being found. Foreign advantage will diminish. This motor has
aspects similar to an idea I was tinkering with, but it clearly has the torque advantage.. I was looking
to create ´insane´ speeds.
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Stefan Mikes
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"In the beginning, there was an iPhone"
john peck
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I don´t want a car, even if it´s electric; maybe a 3 or 4 wheel buggy, big enough to haul a load of groceries,
a small enough for a bike/scooter lane. If I have to travel at 50, 60 mph, I´d rather do it sitting in a bus or
by rail enjoying the scenery. For now I´m fine with a bike. Electric cars won´t be any cheaper than all
those gassers they´re desperate to unload now.
I can see that, but for me I guess having a car is part of just what I'm used to but also with a younger son and in the area where I live it's more of a necessity. In my suburban area I take The train if I'm heading down to Philadelphia most of the time or always if I'm heading up to Manhattan but that really hasn't been happening this year. other than that around here especially in the winter a car is pretty much a necessity.
john peck
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& the Lord said, ¨Let there be selfies.¨"In the beginning, there was an iPhone"
john peck
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I have a 35 year old Ford van for necessities that I still haven´t driven 500 miles in the last 13 months.
Ebiker01
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Of course they don't . You shouln't make a false assumption like that , keep studying.
Whatever works. I don't put in a lot of miles compared to most people, 4,000 to 5,000 miles a year
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