BLEvo app working on Vado!!

[Stefan Mikes]

I cannot wait Kam until I get my Vado back with the TCD-W. The BLEvo as a gift from Paolo is still on my smartphone. We'll see if Android 10 would handle the app properly.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

P.S. @Kam1936, what is your leg wattage given by the TCD-W?

 

[Kam1936]

P.S. @Kam1936, what is your leg wattage given by the TCD-W?

I'm anxious to hear your experience with the app. Paolo said he hasn't tested it with 10 yet. That OS is the latest and seems to cause problems with MC and BLEvo from what I've read. Try it with another device if you have. Also, leg power only shows while your riding on the display. And then you need to click to the screen that shows it. But when I did they were both accurately reporting the same. I could easily see all the information on one screen in BLEvo with my phone mounted to the handle bars. I could also listen to it too. Very loud audio.

 

[Kam1936]

@rochrunner . Here's the odometer with correct wheel size adjustment. MC/BLEVo are reporting almost same. .03 difference. The display is less accurate to them by about the same.

 

[Kam1936]

@rochrunner . Here's the odometer with correct wheel size adjustment. MC/BLEVo are reporting almost same. .03 difference. The display is less accurate to them by about the same.

 

[Kam1936]

Of note: The battery dropped 5% overnight. I suppose this happens when the battery settles from longer rides.

 

[Kam1936]

200 miles in 5 days of riding. I've experimented with levels of assist. 20/60 ECO/Trail seems good for 40 + miles with decent speed average 17.8 mph.

Latest Ride Stats:
BLEvo v3.6.9

May 10, 2020 10:07:14 AM - round trip

- Movement time: 2:17:52
- Total miles: 40.79 mi (▲ 5.1 mi | ▼ 5.1 mi | = 30.6 mi)
- Average speed: 17.8 mph
- Total ascent: +1501 ft
- Battery consumed: 82% (489Wh)
- Average consumption per MI: 14.67 Wh/mi
- Percentage of average assistance: 45.5%
- Wh ride: 723.7Wh
- Biker: 32.4% (234.7Wh)
- Battery: 67.6% (489Wh)

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FULL STATISTICS:

Firmware: 7.3.4
Bike parameters:
BLEvo 3 - 20/60/70 PP 20/60/70 ACC 2% Shuttle 0%

Percentage of average assistance: 45.5%
- ECO: 20.0%
- TRAIL: 60.0%
Manual assistance changes: 41
- OFF: 2
- ECO: 20
- TRAIL: 19

Date time:
- Start: May 10, 2020 10:07:14 AM
- End: May 10, 2020 1:22:29 PM
- Total time: 3:15:15

Movement time: 2:17:52
- OFF: 00:03 (0.0%)
- ECO: 48:02 (34.8%)
- TRAIL: 1:29:47 (65.1%)

Movement time: ▲ 0:21:22 | ▼ 0:15:50 | = 1:40:40
- ECO: ▲ 0:04:08 | ▼ 0:06:56 | = 0:36:58
- TRAIL: ▲ 0:17:14 | ▼ 0:08:54 | = 1:03:39

Total miles: 40.79 mi
- OFF: 0.01 mi (0.0%)
- ECO: 13.05 mi (32.0%)
- TRAIL: 27.73 mi (68.0%)

Total miles: ▲ 5.1 mi | ▼ 5.1 mi | = 30.6 mi
- OFF: ▲ 0.0 mi | ▼ 0.0 mi | = 0.0 mi
- ECO: ▲ 0.9 mi | ▼ 2.2 mi | = 10.0 mi
- TRAIL: ▲ 4.1 mi | ▼ 3.0 mi | = 20.6 mi

Total miles with assistance: 33.33/40.79 mi (81%)
- ECO: 11.17/13.05 mi (85%)
- TRAIL: 22.15/27.73 mi (79%)

Battery:
- Start: 100% (592Wh)
- End: 18% (103Wh)
- Consumed: 82% (489Wh)
- ECO: 16.5% (98Wh)
- TRAIL: 65.5% (390Wh)
- TURBO: 0.0% (0Wh)

Average consumption per MI: 14.67 Wh/mi
- ECO: 8.78 Wh/mi
- TRAIL: 17.64 Wh/mi

Range: 7 mi (▲ 316 ft)
- ECO: 11 mi (▲ 319 ft)
- TRAIL: 5 mi (▲ 315 ft)

Battery temperature:
- Min: 80°F
- Max: 96°F
- ∅ : 87°F

Motor temperature:
- Min: 84°F
- Max: 125°F
- ∅ : 105°F

Average speed: 17.8 mph
- ECO: 16.3 mph
- TRAIL: 18.5 mph

Average speed: ▲ 14.2 mph | ▼ 19.4 mph | = 18.2 mph
- ECO: ▲ 13.7 mph | ▼ 18.6 mph | = 16.2 mph
- TRAIL: ▲ 14.4 mph | ▼ 20.0 mph | = 19.5 mph

Maximum speed: 28.8 mph
- ECO: 23.9 mph (10:07:47 - mi 0.14)
- TRAIL: 28.8 mph (12:54:02 - mi 31.30)

Average cadence: 83 rpm
- ECO: 87 rpm
- TRAIL: 80 rpm

Maximum cadence: 125 rpm
- ECO: 124 rpm (10:40:45 - mi 9.22)
- TRAIL: 125 rpm (10:42:20 - mi 9.71)

Kcal consumed: 917 Kcal
- ECO: 357 Kcal
- TRAIL: 560 Kcal

Average Biker Power: 122 Watt
- ECO: 132 Watt
- TRAIL: 116 Watt

Maximum biker power: 380 Watt
- ECO: 347 Watt (10:31:24 - mi 6.64)
- TRAIL: 380 Watt (12:30:29 - mi 24.54)

Average Motor Power: 245 Watt
- ECO: 136 Watt
- TRAIL: 309 Watt

Maximum motor power: 493 Watt
- ECO: 459 Watt (10:48:08 - mi 11.34)
- TRAIL: 493 Watt (10:23:01 - mi 4.27)

Total Wh biker: 234.7 Wh
- ECO: 91.4 Wh (38.9%)
- TRAIL: 143.2 Wh (61.0%)

Total Wh motor: 452.5 Wh
- ECO: 90.8 Wh (20.1%)
- TRAIL: 361.7 Wh (79.9%)

Maximum altitude: 1328 ft
Minimum altitude: 944 ft

Total ascent: +1501 ft
- ECO: +304 ft (20.3%)
- TRAIL: +1197 ft (79.7%)

Total descent: -1503 ft
- ECO: -563 ft (37.4%)
- TRAIL: -940 ft (62.6%)

Uphill altitude gain per hour: 4215.9 ft/h
- ECO: 4413.2 ft/h
- TRAIL: 4168.6 ft/h

Downhill altitude gain per hour: 5699.1 ft/h
- ECO: 4873.3 ft/h
- TRAIL: 6342.4 ft/h

Maximum slope: 10.9%
- ECO: 6.5% (10:45:23 - mi 10.62)
- TRAIL: 10.9% (13:22:20 - mi 40.78)

Minimum slope: -8.9%
- ECO: -8.9% (10:07:40 - mi 0.10)
- TRAIL: -6.1% (12:09:57 - mi 18.39)

 

[Captain Slow]

Does this software allow you to export the data from your rides into a format suitable for a spreadsheet i.e. csv format?

I'd like to see power data for both the motor and myself if it could output it so I could view in a spreadsheet.

 

[Kam1936]

Does this software allow you to export the data from your rides into a format suitable for a spreadsheet i.e. csv format?

I'd like to see power data for both the motor and myself if it could output it so I could view in a spreadsheet.

Contact the developer. He's good about issuing a refund if the app doesn't work for you. I seem to be the only one with a positive experience, Turbo Vado 5.0 (2019) that is compatible with BLEvo. Android 9 as well as Android 10. My LG G7 thinQ was forcefully updated recently. The best feature of the app for me is the ability to listen to stats while on the ride. No need to look at the screen with phone mounted on handle bar. Planet 3 also works with this app to give accurate speed, distance, after it is installed. Your TCD -w display will lie about speed and trip distance 3x less. Odometer remains accurate for total miles. I can't answer your question because I have never looked nor interested in that feature. Try it out. If it doesn't work, refund. Good luck.

 

[Captain Slow]

Kam you have the Planet 3? How do you like it? Do you find you're draining your battery significantly faster now? How was the install?

 

[Art Deco]

I envy you having the strength and health to be able to pedal without the motor assistance; and am jealous you have got the TCD-W and can use the BLEvo. Regarding the TCD-W, I'm waiting for more normal times to possibly replace the display. The situation is too weird now.

Over on this side of the Atlantic it is also very weird, so if it isn't broken, don't fix it for awhile. Helps with the stay sane stay safe meme.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Over on this side of the Atlantic it is also very weird, so if it isn't broken, don't fix it for awhile. Helps with the stay sane stay safe meme.

The display was replaced several weeks ago so I'm happy. Blevo doesn't work with my Vado though

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Believe or not. After 11 months I got the BLEvo license from Paolo and 4 months after my Vado was upgraded to TCD-W, I started using BLEvo. One of the reason I was reluctant to use the app was the fact one of previous versions could not maintain the connection with my Vado. Now, after some update, it works perfectly!

A gold-mine of information. The most interesting for me was the capability to display all vital ride parameters on one screen, something TCD-W or Mission Control cannot do. The Rider's Power, the Motor Power, Speed, Cadence, Ride Time, and Ride Distance are the parameters I like to know when I ride as it gives me the incentive to work harder on pedalling. Inclination is something TCD-W or MC won't tell you. Etc. etc.

Unluckily, my screenshots are in Polish (BLEvo follows the smartphone language), yet...

During the ride, these parameters are visible on the screen, followed by the ride map. I could output 231 W in a burst (surprise to me!)

The digest of post-ride data. Detailed report is available as well. My average power output was 95 W and average cadence only 72 although I was trying to keep 83 whenever I was pedalling. The app took into account the time when I was not pedalling (honest!)

I was deliberately using the custom 30/40% ECO assistance only. I can see that true 100% capacity of my battery #2 is 591 instead of 604 Wh. I used 27 Wh of battery power for 4.67 km ride. Therefore: 4.6 km * (591/27) * 0.95 (the last battery 5% is unusable) = 95.6 km possible battery range.

Interesting observations:

• Even if the assistance level was set to 30% and maximum motor power was 40%, the motor was producing very high power on accelerating the bike, disproportionately high to my own leg output; it can explain the excellent acceleration of Turbo Vado in urban commuting scenario.
• High leg output was actually setting the motor output at the Max Motor Power threshold. It explains why strong riders can actually get excellent battery range by manipulating the Max Motor Power.

Frankly saying, Specialized should buy the licensing rights from Paolo and employ him at the Mission Control staff...

 

[rochrunner]

I gave up on BLEvo a few months ago when it seemed clear that it didn't work correctly on my Vado 4.0. However, trying it again last week after the latest update -- and after the latest updates to the bike's firmware -- it now seems to recognize my bike correctly. So I might have to give it another go on a future ride. I have no intention of mounting my phone on the bike, and have my Garmin to display all the data I need (power, cadence, HR, battery power level, etc.) so will keep the phone in my pocket and use the app mainly for the post-ride statistics. Those stats were previously misleading since BLEvo was reading my battery as a 450Wh, but they should now be more accurate.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

BLEvo cannot connect to the motor tuning section. Now I can remember it was the reason I was not using it. Yet, the rich information display and post-ride information are valuable.

 

[Ike582]

This looks like a very interesting App. I found the App on the iPhone store page, can anyone point me to a good spot that explains how to connect the App to my '18 Turbo Vado 6? Thanks

 

[Stefan Mikes]

This looks like a very interesting App. I found the App on the iPhone store page, can anyone point me to a good spot that explains how to connect the App to my '18 Turbo Vado 6? Thanks

Sorry you cannot do it unless your electronics has been upgraded to the TCD-W display (to get rid of the BLOKS display).

 

[Ike582]

Sorry you cannot do it unless your electronics has been upgraded to the TCD-W display (to get rid of the BLOKS display).

Thanks Stefan. Is that possibly a "do it myself" item or can my LBS do it? I'm not familiar with the TDC-W display but I'm open to making the swap!

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Thanks Stefan. Is that possibly a "do it myself" item or can my LBS do it? I'm not familiar with the TDC-W display but I'm open to making the swap!

Ike, there has been a worldwide Specialized programme to overhaul any existing BLOKS equipped Vad0/Como with the TCD-W. It requires not only the hardware but the dealer has to disassemble half of your bike then reassemble it again. Yet, the programme has been the fact and for example my Vado 5.0 (MY 2017 but purchased in 2019) was overhauled in May this year.

After replacement of BLOKS with TCD-W, your Vado 6.0 would behave as the 2020 5.0, only yours has better components

You might just qualify or you might be asked to pay. Ask your dealer. I confirm the programme has been the fact.

 

[PaD]

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FULL STATISTICS:

Firmware: 7.3.4
Bike parameters:
BLEvo 3 - 20/60/70 PP 20/60/70 ACC 2% Shuttle 0%

Firmware 7.3.4 ?
Is that the BLEvo firmware or is it a Specialized motor firmware?