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I’ve followed you. I’m user starting as AndyLet us make friends on Strava! My display name is Stefan Mikeš Mikulski.
I’ve followed you. I’m user starting as AndyLet us make friends on Strava! My display name is Stefan Mikeš Mikulski.
I've also noticed that the Mission Control setting on my Tero appears to be off. In my case, Mission Control reports 90.55 in wheel circumference - same as Stefan reported for his Vado (you have an older Vado not using 650B wheels?) . My Garmin auto detected the 29er 2.35 Ground Control tires as 2249 mm. This is very close to what Chucker;s initial setting of 88.78 (2255 mm) in Mission Control was. I suppose if my bike had been set up with the 88.78 Whc that my Mastermind and Garmin speed readings would be very close. I think it is just a bike shop or factory setup error that my bike Mission control reads 90.55.I'm glad you finally got the match between the MasterMind TCD and GPS.
As I said in another thread, pay no close attention to what Mission Control reads... I can bet there is no real communication between the engineering and programming departments at Spec!
I have 3 rides under my bely so far on my Tero 3.0. My first impression is that the bikes seems faster than my base Levo. My be motor or something I just can't figure out becauseTero 4.0 review/opinion
I have had a Tero 4 since December and have ridden over 300 miles off road in the Surrey Hiils.
I replaced the supplied 2.35 ground control tires with 2.6, Butcher front & Pergatory rear. The ground controls were ok, but it was so muddy I needed more control and grip. I have setup these as tubeless. The rims had tubeless rim tape fitted already.
I have already worn out the chain and cassette as I was riding in pretty crappy conditions. I had a Shimano GRX810 rear mech that I had recently removed from from gravel bike, I fitted this with a compatible bar shifter, XT cassette & chain and the shifting is much improved.
I have been very much enjoying riding various trails in Surrey Hills and have several ebike Strava trophies, not bad for a 53 year old .
Forks seem to have improved with use, I’m 13st and find the medium spring(s) suits my riding & weight.
I can recommend the 2.6 tire upgrade, better traction, control & comfort. Looks more purposeful to.
Gearing?My first impression is that the bikes seems faster than my base Levo.
Yes that is right, also this new generation motor seems peepy r. I think, it’s just to soon I need more seat time, but right now the weather can’t make up it’s mind, winter or springGearing?
Interesting about the motor power. I have the Tero 4.0 & find the power is spot on. Maybe the 5.0 is more setup for touring with luggage?I ended up getting a Tero 5.0. Here's my thoughts:
The Good:
The Bad:
- Very fun to ride.
- Motor is very, very powerful.
- The weight + big 29" tires + wide tires make it very easy to ride on anything but the roughest singletrack.
- The ease of setting the motor at 10% increments is a godsend. Since the motor is so powerful, even an assist of 20% is sometimes all I need (on the steep hills I'll bump it to 40%), and if I run with that I can get a range of 70+ miles on hilly terrain.
- USB Charger out of the heads up display is very handy for lights / phone / computer when it works (more on that in a bit).
- I've never had a drop post before, but I love it. Makes the bike feel very nimble on the downhill, and just plain easier to get on and off.
- The heads up display and remote control are both great, much nicer looking than, say, the casio garbage you get with most Bosch motors.
- The tires are totally suitable for just about any offroad but also roll surprisingly smooth on concrete.
- Lots of mounting points, although...more on that later....
The Ugly:
- It's heavy. Very heavy. I can't imagine trying to haul this beast up stairs. Just getting it onto my car's rack requires quite a bit of exertion.
- The walking mode doesn't work very well for me. There's not a lot of torque or speed with it.
- Having a shortcut to dim the heads up display from the remote would be nice, it's very bright. Even on the lowest setting it's pretty bright. Great in the day, very distracting at night.
- I'm not a big fan of hydraulic brakes. They're messy and kind of a pain. Can we move to electronic brakes already?
- The motor is so powerful I honestly think it's wasted money. If I could have gotten the Tero 4.0 with a slightly less powerful motor and saved a grand, I would have.
- The 20mph assist cap makes sense on a gravel bike, but since the motor is so powerful, it is a little bit of a shame it can't flex that power up to 28mph.
- One of the advertised features is an "alarm" if the bike is pin-locked and someone moves it. It's not an alarm, it's a quiet beep, which will not attract attention from anyone. And it doesn't trigger if you move it, it triggers if you ride it.
One thing I struggled with before buying this bike was understanding the range. I've started logging my own battery usage (when I remember, at least) mostly for my own sake, but it did occur to me that it might be useful to other people. If you're curious, here you go. You'll notice I never start at 100%, and that's out of silly, irrational paranoia about wearing out the battery by charging it up to 100% unnecessarily.
- The USB charger does not work very well or reliably. 1amp is very subpar, and it's not just an issue of charging slowly....half the time my phone won't recognize the charger at all, which is a little scary and arguably worse than not having the phone charger at all.
- What is the deal with the mounting points facing down under the seat? Terrible placement, imo, it's right next to the seat tube.
- The disc brakes squeal a lot for me. I've taken it to the shop a couple times to try and eliminate it, but it just won't go away.
- I have found the Mission Control ride logging to be unreliable. It will either de-sync with gps, or just completely forget that I'm on a ride. Very frustrating.
In my opinion, it is the greatest new feature of all of them in the MasterMind system. It makes it very easy to adjust the assistance as you ride on group rides with traditional cyclists. And that is the feature I'm missing badly in my Vado SL and the older full power Vado!The ease of setting the motor at 10% increments is a godsend.
They certainly save your ass on long steep descents And these do not wear rims.I'm not a big fan of hydraulic brakes.
It is not the motor itself that makes Tero 5.0 more expensive. It is the air-shock. It is the dropper post. It is the better drivetrain. If you bought Tero 4.0, you would hate the heavy and poor coil-loaded fork.The motor is so powerful I honestly think it's wasted money.
Tero is a Class 1 e-bike. No doubts whether you can enter a national park where only Class 1 e-bikes are admitted. And yes, you might try the PearTune. (Bear in mind your range would drop dramatically if you do so).The 20mph assist cap makes sense on a gravel bike, but since the motor is so powerful, it is a little bit of a shame it can't flex that power up to 28mph.
Most of MTB disc brakes do squeal. These are not only effective and allowing modulation on braking but also dissipate the heat easily if you modulate your braking. And yes, they do squeal. (Have a look at the Electric Mountain Bike Network videos to listen to hydraulic brake squealing, which is a norm).The disc brakes squeal a lot for me.
I agree that this might be behind the reason for it being a Class 1 bike. Not only national parks, but also lots of other rail-trails and such pathways are posted "Class 1 only". I regularly ride my Class 3 Vado on them, keeping to a reasonable speed, but someday someone is going to start trying to enforce these regulations. On the Facebook pages for trails in my area, there are always posts from pedestrians about "e-bikes going too fast", although in fact I see lots of people on analog bikes that are the ones going awfully fast. I think that whenever someone sees a bike going "too fast" these days, they just assume it's an e-bike.Tero is a Class 1 e-bike. No doubts whether you can enter a national park where only Class 1 e-bikes are admitted. And yes, you might try the PearTune. (Bear in mind your range would drop dramatically if you do so).
Oh, those U.S. issues... I'd love riding a Class 1 e-bike.
Did you know Doug almost all Specialized e-bikes including Creo (and not only Specialized ones) were restricted to 15.5 mph in Europe?
Let's us not discuss it (the subject has been flogged to death in these Fora). Anyone is free to derestrict their e-bike anyway (and take consequences).I'd find that restriction so very frustrating. Particularly since even a moderately fit rider on a conventional bike can exceed that speed.
Here in the US, enforcement of class 1 vs class 3 would seem to be problematic. What will they do, station a ranger or LEO to stop and check every bike passing by? How will they know whether the Class 1 sticker on the downtube is original or aftermarket?
Not.4.0 has same fork and dropper post as 5.0.
Well, if you do decide to educate me on the differences (again), just remember the 4.0 does in fact have a dropper post. I was/am well aware that the motor is not the ONLY difference and I have no idea why you would assume I needed that education.I could show you all differences between Tero 5.0 and 4.0 but given you attitude, let me spare my time for more important things.
You cannot buy the 4.0 in the United States. Nobody forced you to buy Tero 5.0.