A quick ride review of the Vado SL 4.0

Test ride the Sirrus X 5 last week, my number 1 analog bike also.

I am seriously considering just keeping my FLX and adding either the Sirrus X 5 or the upcoming Sirrus 6 and just training myself to do town runs on it. Both those bikes are screaming "buy me". And don't put any dumb fenders, lights or even the GPS on it. Just go ride. No bags allowed. Water bottles are too heavy. Don't need a bike lock if you don't stop riding. ;)
 
Ok, going to post this here because it's not strictly e-bike and does relate to the vado SL.

I tried a breezer radar X today. I do not qualify for Sirrus X/6 due to weight limits. The specialized rep was a bit confused by that as the lower weight limit is typically only for bikes that have other carbon components like handle bars, seat post... etc (The sirrus X does not have such components). At this point the Sirrus X is out of stock in my size, so it's a moot point. It remains the "goal" non-electric bike at this time. That's assuming I get and stay firmly below it's weight limit ( which is not a guarantee, I am trimmer, but more muscular than I was last year while weighing more ).

I went in to my bike shop to rent a gravel bike to see how I got along with drop bars. As well as to see if I can live with a regular bike on my hill or the lack of real suspension... etc. We adjusted the bike to my fit parameters as best we could (and it was admittedly not great) and I went on my way.

First, the ride. In a word: great! Having a bike I could lift and toss around with one hand is very appealing. Again, it reacts so much faster that the slow riding up hill is a bit reactive (I wouldn't say wobbly like some slow riding can be). I have no doubt I would get used to that. Honestly, this is probably more that I am not used to going so slow on a bike. On the downhill, I wasn't super comfortable letting the bike rip for one simple reason: I did not have confidence in brake lever pressure while on the hoods. Like the ghost grappler I tried last year, I felt that I couldn't get my fingers into a position of power on the brake levers. I think it was a bit better because these were hydraulic brakes, but still not great. This cramped my hands and made me really hesitant to blaze downhill. And, even going slower than I likely otherwise would, some of the unavoidable bumps were quite jarring. However, not really worse than the vado 4.0 (no future shock or carbon fork). I would expect a vado sl 5.0 to help some.

Comfort: The position is still highly uncomfortable for me. There is too much pressure on the hand in any position. However, being able to change helped a lot. But I could only do that if I was willing to have my hands away from the brakes. Most of the time, I was not. I did try the drops, and that solves the brake lever position problem, but I didn't feel like I could maintain it for long. Now, my fitter may be able to fix this up with a proper fitting. But, I am not sure it's worth it at this time. See next section.

The radar X as configured has a 26.2 low gear inch. Not bad. But it was rough for my hill home. I stopped to rest several times before making it to the top. I never tried this ride with the grappler, but I feel that it would make a difference (grappler is straight up mountain bike territory with 18.6 gear inches). On the radar, I was constantly in the lowest gear. Finally, I really did not like the way it shifted gears. And I can't say why. I think it had a small "delay" from pushing the paddle to switching. And the response varied a bit. I don't remember thinking anything about the vado SL gear changes. Other than I did them and they worked. And, by contrast, the vado SL was not "easy" up this hill, but I didn't stop and still got some enjoyment out of the ride.

This was a test to see if a "regular" bike could be on the table in the short term. It was also a test to see if drop bars or steel bikes held any specific interest to me. I have been eyeing the Niner RLT 9 Steel model. At this time, the answer is still some relatively low gear, flat bar, hybrid gravelish bike. Sirrus X is still top of the list. Unfortunately, I can't even try the carbon models. :(

At this moment, I am considering going back to the IGH and just dealing with whatever comes up. QC problems or not, it continues to be the most enjoyable ride I have experienced on any bike. It makes me want to put on miles. I am not confident even the vado SL will do that given my terrain. But, if it did, I would adore that bike.
 
Thank you for sharing your views!
Dynamic, have you got stronger thanks to your workouts? I only tell you I struggle up the 3% grade overpasses on a Vado SL, although I could make a short 10% incline on that e-bike twice (Turbo and the 36T cog of my replaced cassette with a 44T chainring).
 
Thank you for sharing your views!
Dynamic, have you got stronger thanks to your workouts? I only tell you I struggle up the 3% grade overpasses on a Vado SL, although I could make a short 10% incline on that e-bike twice (Turbo and the 36T cog of my replaced cassette with a 44T chainring).
I assume much stronger. The ride home is a mile with parts of it in 9-13% grade. Average of the mile is 6-7%. 600-700 feet in elevation. If our house wasn’t here, I might not have even bothered with ebikes.
 
@Stefan Mikes how small of a chain ring can go on the vado SL 5.0?
As small as it is practical. The only condition is it must be a 104 BCD 4-hole ring. I think @Rás Cnoic rides a 38T one, and very small MTB chainrings as found on Levo could be 32T. (Of course, you would have to surrender the chainring guard and shorten the chain). The chainring on Vado SL (as many other on Specialized e-bikes) is Praxis, conveniently mounted with threaded bolts so you operate with the hex wrench from the outside of the e-bike only. Any other ring would require four standard 8x8 mm MTB chainring bolts but that's an easy operation, which I did many times on my bikes (in the worst case, the motor cover could be temporarily removed for easier access to the nut).

Only bear in mind a small chainring makes the e-bike slower on the flat (and you basically never pedal downhill).
 
My wife’s new you turbo Vado SL4 EQ, step through, small, was delivered today. She is absolutely delighted with it. Has been out on her first ride today. Only slight disappointment is that is fitted with the 10 bar TCU rather than the mastermind display, which I have on my SL5. 22% discount on UK rrp.
 

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My wife’s new you turbo Vado SL4 EQ, step through, small, was delivered today. She is absolutely delighted with it. Has been out on her first ride today. Only slight disappointment is that is fitted with the 10 bar TCU rather than the mastermind display, which I have on my SL5. 22% discount on UK rrp.

If I were confident in the motor power, I would have bought the SL 5.0. As it stands, I plan to buy a regular bike for my low-power riding. My wife and I pulled the trigger on 5.0 IGH models. The hills here are just too much for us currently.
 
I also went from a Sirrus to the Vado SL 4.0 non EQ 2.5 years ago for the same reason. Tried the 2023 Sirrus X5.0 a few weeks ago and was really impressed. I’m on the fence about switching back to the Sirrus. Waiting for upcoming news on an updated SL.
 
I also went from a Sirrus to the Vado SL 4.0 non EQ 2.5 years ago for the same reason. Tried the 2023 Sirrus X5.0 a few weeks ago and was really impressed. I’m on the fence about switching back to the Sirrus. Waiting for upcoming news on an updated SL.
was the new sirrus you tried had the new frame very interested to try it out

 
Just sold my Vado SL 4.0. A wonderful experience for the past 32 months. It’s been a blast reading all the excellent advice on this forum. Taking another test ride tomorrow with the 2023 Sirrus X 5.0 and will probably get it next Monday(unless Specialized announces a new Vado SL before then). Thanks so much for this gathering place. Happy riding!
 
I finally took a vado SL for a spin. And, there is a lot to like. Really a lot. But it also definitely isn't the bike for everyone.

I saw the spring sale on the vado SL 5.0 and decided this might be the time to spring for a new couples bike (we just got disgustingly cute matching SUV's.... ). My wife and I still haven't found e-bikes we really want to ride. My LBS had a 4.0 in Large available to ride. So I did. I am theoretically a medium, but honestly had no issues on the large.

I live in a place that is very hilly. I can't really go on any ride unless I am prepared for 500-1,000 foot ascents with 8-15% grade, often worse. Most routes have far more elevation in addition to dirt roads and pot holes. To my surprise, I liked the Vado SL quite a bit on this terrain. Even without future shock or a suspension seat post. The bike feels almost effortless as you change direction. By contrast, the bigger options feel like they are lumbering by comparison. The SL is almost skittish in how quickly to responds to your control. For me it was both surprising and appreciated.

I found that I did not want to turn on the motor. The best part of riding this bike was absolutely keeping the motor off and relying on your own power only. I really needed to be presented with some hill in order to want the motor. The gearing was sufficient even on the 4.0. I never hit the extreme gears out of need in either direction (or if I did, I never asked for another one and got nothing).

Now, for the flaw: The motor just isn't enough for me on my terrain. This here, this is my "goal bike". In a year or two, I could see myself getting one because I will eventually be able to take this bike on the same routes I took the vado 5. They will take longer. And it will be hard work, but, at that point, the increased effort will feel good. Right now, the thought of tackling some of these 15-20 mile rides with 3-4k of elevation is not very appealing on this bike. The next thing: I still don't like going slow uphill. It was *not* as bad on this bike, and I can't say why. I didn't have my garmin/other stuff on the ride so I have zero idea how fast I was going (possibly going faster than I normally do grinding up a hill). But it wasn't soul crushingly slow. Just annoyingly slow. That's a pretty good step in the right direction. Whether it's due to bike feel, or I was able to go faster, I don't know. But I have encountered hills that make me go soul crushingly slow on the vado. Not much fun.

I am also a bit concerned about the terrain. I basically stayed away from any of the harder stuff. No dirt, dodged the pot holes... etc. What little problematic terrain I did encounter did not inspire me with confidence. I am not convinced this bike would be "fun" on the backroads of vermont. But, since I didn't try it, I could be very wrong on that one. I am also not sure future shock + kinect seat post wouldn't fix that problem.

I rode the bike home and let my wife try it. This particular model is not an option because her thighs were rubbing the frame. There is the step through model and she probably needed her position adjusted. But it is a thing. She also agreed the motor is probably *just* enough to get in and out of town but not really adventure worthy.

On the upside, I believe this bike has convinced me that a chain experience can be acceptable. I enjoyed the ride experience more than my FLX Blade 2.0 despite it being much harder to do the same route. I took the FLX down to the LBS, rode the SL back and swapped again. Since I didn't have to worry about battery, I unleashed the flx and flew up the hill. The SL riding style begs for moderation. The bike practically forces you into an endurance riding mode. The FLX begs for me to put more power into the pedals because the reward is so extreme. But this also highlights the lack of refinement in the flx. The SL just felt like I had more endurance than I would normally have on a regular bike. It felt natural. And switching gears is actually less invasive than the FLX ( the flx has a motor limiter, so the motor shuts off on gear changes to protect the rohloff hub).

Anywho, if I were more fit or lived in a less hilly area, I likely would be buying at least one of these. It is a genuinely fun bike. And I wouldn't hesitate if not for my fitness and terrain. Great bike!

Happy Riding!
Did you notice any issues with shift sensing?
 
I completely agree that this bike with more power would be spectacular. In fact, I am looking at a few other bikes with exactly that. Not sure I can get any here. Also, most are drop bars. Ugh.

I'm a new Vado SL 4.0 owner with no previous ebike experience(s). For fitness purposes the Vado SL is hard to beat....it does require human input. But this is precisely what many are seeking. An ebike that looks, feels, and rides like a good bicycle albeit with 'assistance'. I don't find the Vado SL to be particularly underpowered given these parameters and frankly I might be prone to use too much assistance if it were readily available to me on tap....thus defeating my 'fitness' purposes. Vado SL has such a good bike 'feel' and seems to give me enough assistance to make it through a ride in a way that makes the entire endeavor more enjoyable. Much of my ride(s) are without any assistance whatsoever.....and enjoyable without assist....a huge bonus. I just no longer need to route plan....I no longer need to avoid hills....and I can easily veer off in a direction to check something interesting that catches my eye. No....not a moped....but plenty of assistance....and in a light, nimble, and tidy package.

I fear that should a prospective Vado SL come about....with more power.....it would cost FAR more than the $2499 that I just spent on my new Vado SL 4.0. For once I am pleased with my new bike just as it is and without fear of an inevitable superior successor. A 2nd bicycle for pure 'fun' with more range/power is for now a completely differing type bicycle. And yes...I want one of those too please! For me, however, with only one ebike in the stable....this is the one.
 
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Vado SL has such a good bike 'feel' and seems to give me enough assistance to make it through a ride in a way that makes the entire endeavor more enjoyable.

It's fairly relative. I don't have a ride I can do that doesn't involve sections of climbs in the 8-12% range. If I leave my house, getting back to it involves some amount of that grade no matter which direction I go. On the vado SL, those climbs don't remain enjoyable for me. They are *hard*. Really hard. I do think the vado SL 5.0 might address some of that with the bigger gearing (the one I road was a 4.0). I also think a chain ring change could work miracles.

In less extreme riding (or, if I was more fit then I am), the vado sl would be spectacular. But when the "normal" ride involves 1,500 - 2,000 feet of elevation, it's something to think about. My 3-4k elevation rides are a hard no on that bike under current fitness and road conditions.

I think the next generation vado SL top end model is likely to have a bit more peak power and a bit more torque (50nm would be my guess) without too much other sacrifice. For me, that would likely make the difference on many of these routes.

For reference, my full power vado had 90nm torque and 540watts (peak I think). And many of those rides did *not* need turbo. But using the bike in "standard" sport mode is still double the vado SL. Something between those two on a light bike would be absolutely amazing on my crazy hills.
 
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