Another new TQ motor: hpr40

[Rás Cnoic]

I am not familiar with Fazua Ride 60, but from you description it sounds like it has different settings and how it manages assist. On my last ride I watched the power meter and most of the time I was putting in 150W, the motor contributed 0W-10% of the time, 30W-50% of the time, 60W-30% of the time, and 150W-10% of the time. 42miles, 3500 elevation gain and the battery had ~55% charge remaining when I got home. I was riding with my wife who has the same BMC as me an her battery had 72% charge remaining. She is lighter and stronger than me so road most of the ride in eco-30W assist.

Sadly Porsche the owners of Fazua have just closed down the company laying off the entire staff it seems having bought Fazua a couple of years ago.

Porsche shuts down e-bike motor brand Fazua as car brand’s e-bike subsidiary closed and 500 jobs cut | electric bike reviews, buying advice and news - ebiketips

Porsche has revealed that it is shutting down its e-bike subsidiary Porsche eBike Performance GmbH, a move that will also see e-bike motor brand Fazua closed.The German sports car brand launched its e-bike subsidiary in 2022, the same year it acquired Fazua, in a bid to develop and market...

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[Blackvipergts]

I am not familiar with Fazua Ride 60, but from you description it sounds like it has different settings and how it manages assist. On my last ride I watched the power meter and most of the time I was putting in 150W, the motor contributed 0W-10% of the time, 30W-50% of the time, 60W-30% of the time, and 150W-10% of the time. 42miles, 3500 elevation gain and the battery had ~55% charge remaining when I got home. I was riding with my wife who has the same BMC as me an her battery had 72% charge remaining. She is lighter and stronger than me so road most of the ride in eco-30W assist.

Thank a lot .It's confirming my assumption / estimation fpr the 290w battery .Unfortunately for the time being is impossible here to find a test bike [ Scott/Bmc/Ridley] so far we can only simulate and/or extrapolate data

 

[Blackvipergts]

Sadly Porsche the owners of Fazua have just closed down the company laying off the entire staff it seems having bought Fazua a couple of years ago.

Porsche shuts down e-bike motor brand Fazua as car brand’s e-bike subsidiary closed and 500 jobs cut | electric bike reviews, buying advice and news - ebiketips

Porsche has revealed that it is shutting down its e-bike subsidiary Porsche eBike Performance GmbH, a move that will also see e-bike motor brand Fazua closed.The German sports car brand launched its e-bike subsidiary in 2022, the same year it acquired Fazua, in a bid to develop and market...

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Indeed it has been a shocking news and globally a very sad news for all of us riding a FazuaRide60...On other hand Porsche's Financial Result are so bad that no core business is out of scope

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Had my BMC for a couple weeks and been playing around with motor settings. What seems to be working for my riding style and location follows. At these settings I can get +60miles of range with 3000-4000ft of climbing. Also suggest that TQ40 would be plenty for my type of riding. Curious to hear what others are using...

Mode	Power Cap	Support %	Pedal Response	Rationale
Eco	30 W	30%	Low	Offset bike weight/tire penalty while preserving analog feel and range
Mid	60 W	60%	Low / Medium	“10 years younger” mode
High	150 W	100%	Medium	Short-term boost for steep climbs, wind, or fatigue

It really depends on the rider and too many other factors. Here's the stat page of a gravel rally organiser who rode a Raymon Norza Pro (a carbon Bosch SX gravel bike).

63 miles, 5,082 ft elevation gain, with some 14% grade climbs, an area consisting only of climbs and descents. He rode in a Tour+ assistance, which is 45 Nm max and 300 W motor mechanical assistance max. Tour+ is a dynamic mode, which automatically switches between ECO and TURBO as needed. His e-bike (rented for tests by Bosch E-Bike to him) had a 400 Wh battery, of which he used 94% for that ride. The man is a 40-yo able-bodied rider. Given the e-bike had an EU 25km/h restrictor, I assume he rode all descents and flats without any assistance.

E-bike weight 32.4 lb.

 

[stompandgo]

Pinarello Nytro E Allroad, 32 pounds, HPR50. I'm still tuning.

Eco: 120w/71%
Mid: 200w/111%
High: 300w/200%

I ride about 40% Off, 60% Eco, with an occasional bump to Mid. I have never used High except for experimentation. As I get fitter, I expect to drop the Eco assist below 100.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

Pinarello Nytro E Allroad, 32 pounds, HPR50. I'm still tuning.

Eco: 120w/71%
Mid: 200w/111%
High: 300w/200%

What do these numbers refer to in HPR motors?

I ride about 40% Off, 60% Eco, with an occasional bump to Mid.

Interesting to see how other people set and use their own assist modes — and how those choices evolve over time. I had a phase like that and could well again.

I have never used High except for experimentation.

You said once that you like to go fast. So do I at times. Took me a while to figure out that that's what TURBO (my High) is for.

I resort to TURBO in certain traffic situations I want to squirt through or leave behind ASAP. Also handy on the steepest (15-16%) of the 1-block ramps so common around here.

Otherwise, rarely feel a need for TURBO. Not that I'm a strong rider. I'm not. Just that I can generally get all the speed I want from my 240W, 35 Nm, 38 lb Vado SL 1 in OFF, ECO, or SPORT. Increasingly using SPORT on fitness segments, as it somehow drags more effort out of me.

HOWEVER, suddenly thinking, "Boy, this ride is fun!" has turned out to be a clue that I forgot to back off from TURBO. And who's making the rules here, anyway?

Now I treat myself to TURBO segments just for the fun of it, battery permitting.

 

[stompandgo]

What do these numbers refer to in HPR motors?

The first number is maximum power in that mode. In Eco, the maximum power is detuned from 300w to 120w.
The second number is the motor assist percentage. At 71%, the rider needs to be putting out about 85w to get the full 120w out of the motor. Total watts would be 191w. Anything over that is 100% rider power.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

The first number is maximum power in that mode. In Eco, the maximum power is detuned from 300w to 120w.
The second number is the motor assist percentage. At 71%, the rider needs to be putting out about 85w to get the full 120w out of the motor. Total watts would be 191w. Anything over that is 100% rider power.

Thanks! So writing an HPR assist mode as A/B, A = the mode's max (presumably mechanical) motor power in watts. B specifies the saturation rider power Prs as a percentage of A. Prs = A B /100 is the rider power Pr needed to saturate motor power Pm at A.

I like that. The current mode's Prs can be a handy thing to know in the saddle.

Now write a Specialized assist mode as E/M, where E and M are both percentages from 0 to 100. Letting Px = the bike's max possible mechanical motor power, your A ≈ Px M / 100. At a given cadence, B is proportional to the slope of the ramp up to A in the motor vs. rider power curve.

Roughly, higher E means a lower (easier) Prs. But there's no simple way to predict Prs in a given mode. So no simple relationship between my E and your A or B.