Another new TQ motor: hpr40

[Rás Cnoic]

I am not familiar with Fazua Ride 60, but from you description it sounds like it has different settings and how it manages assist. On my last ride I watched the power meter and most of the time I was putting in 150W, the motor contributed 0W-10% of the time, 30W-50% of the time, 60W-30% of the time, and 150W-10% of the time. 42miles, 3500 elevation gain and the battery had ~55% charge remaining when I got home. I was riding with my wife who has the same BMC as me an her battery had 72% charge remaining. She is lighter and stronger than me so road most of the ride in eco-30W assist.

Sadly Porsche the owners of Fazua have just closed down the company laying off the entire staff it seems having bought Fazua a couple of years ago.

Porsche shuts down e-bike motor brand Fazua as car brand’s e-bike subsidiary closed and 500 jobs cut | electric bike reviews, buying advice and news - ebiketips

Porsche has revealed that it is shutting down its e-bike subsidiary Porsche eBike Performance GmbH, a move that will also see e-bike motor brand Fazua closed.The German sports car brand launched its e-bike subsidiary in 2022, the same year it acquired Fazua, in a bid to develop and market...

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[Blackvipergts]

I am not familiar with Fazua Ride 60, but from you description it sounds like it has different settings and how it manages assist. On my last ride I watched the power meter and most of the time I was putting in 150W, the motor contributed 0W-10% of the time, 30W-50% of the time, 60W-30% of the time, and 150W-10% of the time. 42miles, 3500 elevation gain and the battery had ~55% charge remaining when I got home. I was riding with my wife who has the same BMC as me an her battery had 72% charge remaining. She is lighter and stronger than me so road most of the ride in eco-30W assist.

Thank a lot .It's confirming my assumption / estimation fpr the 290w battery .Unfortunately for the time being is impossible here to find a test bike [ Scott/Bmc/Ridley] so far we can only simulate and/or extrapolate data

 

[Blackvipergts]

Sadly Porsche the owners of Fazua have just closed down the company laying off the entire staff it seems having bought Fazua a couple of years ago.

Porsche shuts down e-bike motor brand Fazua as car brand’s e-bike subsidiary closed and 500 jobs cut | electric bike reviews, buying advice and news - ebiketips

Porsche has revealed that it is shutting down its e-bike subsidiary Porsche eBike Performance GmbH, a move that will also see e-bike motor brand Fazua closed.The German sports car brand launched its e-bike subsidiary in 2022, the same year it acquired Fazua, in a bid to develop and market...

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Indeed it has been a shocking news and globally a very sad news for all of us riding a FazuaRide60...On other hand Porsche's Financial Result are so bad that no core business is out of scope

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Had my BMC for a couple weeks and been playing around with motor settings. What seems to be working for my riding style and location follows. At these settings I can get +60miles of range with 3000-4000ft of climbing. Also suggest that TQ40 would be plenty for my type of riding. Curious to hear what others are using...

Mode	Power Cap	Support %	Pedal Response	Rationale
Eco	30 W	30%	Low	Offset bike weight/tire penalty while preserving analog feel and range
Mid	60 W	60%	Low / Medium	“10 years younger” mode
High	150 W	100%	Medium	Short-term boost for steep climbs, wind, or fatigue

It really depends on the rider and too many other factors. Here's the stat page of a gravel rally organiser who rode a Raymon Norza Pro (a carbon Bosch SX gravel bike).

63 miles, 5,082 ft elevation gain, with some 14% grade climbs, an area consisting only of climbs and descents. He rode in a Tour+ assistance, which is 45 Nm max and 300 W motor mechanical assistance max. Tour+ is a dynamic mode, which automatically switches between ECO and TURBO as needed. His e-bike (rented for tests by Bosch E-Bike to him) had a 400 Wh battery, of which he used 94% for that ride. The man is a 40-yo able-bodied rider. Given the e-bike had an EU 25km/h restrictor, I assume he rode all descents and flats without any assistance.

E-bike weight 32.4 lb.

 

[stompandgo]

Pinarello Nytro E Allroad, 32 pounds, HPR50. I'm still tuning.

Eco: 120w/71%
Mid: 200w/111%
High: 300w/200%

I ride about 40% Off, 60% Eco, with an occasional bump to Mid. I have never used High except for experimentation. As I get fitter, I expect to drop the Eco assist below 100.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

Pinarello Nytro E Allroad, 32 pounds, HPR50. I'm still tuning.

Eco: 120w/71%
Mid: 200w/111%
High: 300w/200%

What do these numbers refer to in HPR motors?

I ride about 40% Off, 60% Eco, with an occasional bump to Mid.

Interesting to see how other people set and use their own assist modes — and how those choices evolve over time. I had a phase like that and could well again.

I have never used High except for experimentation.

You said once that you like to go fast. So do I at times. Took me a while to figure out that that's what TURBO (my High) is for.

I resort to TURBO in certain traffic situations I want to squirt through or leave behind ASAP. Also handy on the steepest (15-16%) of the 1-block ramps so common around here.

Otherwise, rarely feel a need for TURBO. Not that I'm a strong rider. I'm not. Just that I can generally get all the speed I want from my 240W, 35 Nm, 38 lb Vado SL 1 in OFF, ECO, or SPORT. Increasingly using SPORT on fitness segments, as it somehow drags more effort out of me.

HOWEVER, suddenly thinking, "Boy, this ride is fun!" has turned out to be a clue that I forgot to back off from TURBO. And who's making the rules here, anyway?

Now I treat myself to TURBO segments just for the fun of it, battery permitting.