Anyone tried a lightweight ebike conversion kit on the Scott Addict?

[EMGX]

My demo S110 kit didn't include instructions. I assume new purchases typically include manuals or links to manuals but if not here is a address for Keyde manual downloads:

Keyde eBike Systems | One step electric bike DIY kits provider

Keyde provides electric bicycle DIY kits including motor, battery, display, cable, etc., and has a number of international invention patents. Keyde motor have built-in controllers, sensors, and bluetooth communication modules.

www.keyde.com

BTW if there is interest in Keyde systems maybe we should have a dedicated thread (under DIY or other heading?) as Keyde is not the subject in this thread.

 

[peterecosse]

If you would like an S110 manual, just send a message and I will make a pdf of mine for you. They are very simple though, so you probably won't need it. I can help you with settings, if you would like to unlock max wattage or speed.

 

[EMGX]

If you would like an S110 manual, just send a message and I will make a pdf of mine for you. They are very simple though, so you probably won't need it. I can help you with settings, if you would like to unlock max wattage or speed.

Thank you. The link I posted has pdf for everything, for the most part very simple as you say, but still informative. I am interested in unlocking max speed/wattage. If you can post instruction then anyone interested can access your guidance.

Thanks again.

PS
I'm ghetto prepping a 1970s Sears (made in Austria) 10 speed road bike for the Keyde including disc brake adapter and 3x8 drivetrain. Some parts still on the way.

 

[peterecosse]

Very nice. I restored and converted a 1980 Gazelle with an S110. The Keyde conversion is the best for these old bikes. Share a pic when complete. The disk brake addition will be fun. Just on the rear?

The Code Keyde use for advanced settings is 1919. You can then unlock wattage up to 750 peak and max assist speed up to 45kph. As long as the US distributor has not changed the password, you will be able to set it as you like.

 

[EMGX]

Thanks for providing the code. The US distributor is very responsive to communication so if it doesn't work I'll contact him.
Yes, rear wheel only for the disc. Because the bike has forward facing nearly horizontal dropouts it means that I won't be able to remove the wheel without removing the adapter as well - I'm going to put a Tannus airless tire on the wheel so flat tire won't be an issue.

 

[EMGX]

@peterecosse I hope you continue to follow this thread. Do you know of a source or part number for a cassette removal tool that will work with the Keyde? The one I have has a hole large enough for the power connector to pass through but not large enough for both the axle and power cable. Does Keyde usually supply a compatible tool? I need to replace the cassette that the seller had included with my demo wheel.

 

[peterecosse]

You will need the Keyde specific tool. It is thinner with a large opening.

 

[PedalUma]

This is higher level stuff. A worthy discussion. Although I'm a mid-drive person, I am following the discussion and like the aesthetic and the ease off installation. I may pursue blue because soldering little wires thru-frame is a pain. But what about hackers? And if a hacker gets your bike and pacemaker at the same time?

 

[peterecosse]

What are you talking about?

 

[EMGX]

You will need the Keyde specific tool. It is thinner with a large opening.

The US distributor, mission motion LLC, indicated they forgot to include it and are sending me one. They have been great with communications and after sales followup.

 

[gromike]

So I take it that the Keyde is a direct-drive hub motor with a controller inside the hub. It's been done before, though with noted controller failures because the heat of the motor and controller together in the same can (though mid-drives do the same thing).
Maybe, due to material advances, they figured it out. The Keyde motors seem to be low wattage motors which helps in concern to heat build up.. Being a builder/repairer of ebikes I prefer a separate controller, wires be damned.

For light bikes I like a smaller geared front hub motor. Make sure you have good gearing.

 

[peterecosse]

The US distributor, mission motion LLC, indicated they forgot to include it and are sending me one. They have been great with communications and after sales followup.

What are the normal US prices like for a Keyde kit?

 

[EMGX]

What are the normal US prices like for a Keyde kit?

From Ebay (missionmotion LLC)
S110 hub only with 7ah battery and no display (phone app) $453.50 including shipping plus tax. Up to $606.50 depending on battery and display.
Thru axle hub only with 7ah battery and blue tooth display $594 plus tax. $718 laced into 700c wheel. They used to be available on AliExpress for a couple hundred less but given my experience with missionmotion I'd be more inclined to pay more to get it from them anyway.

If I absolutely love my S110 (solid axle) I'll be tempted by the thru axle version to put in a carbon bike for a 30(ish) pound end result. Purely conjecture at this point.

 

[EMGX]

So I take it that the Keyde is a direct-drive hub motor with a controller inside the hub. It's been done before, though with noted controller failures because the heat of the motor and controller together in the same can (though mid-drives do the same thing).
Maybe, due to material advances, they figured it out. The Keyde motors seem to be low wattage motors which helps in concern to heat build up.. Being a builder/repairer of ebikes I prefer a separate controller, wires be damned.

For light bikes I like a smaller geared front hub motor. Make sure you have good gearing.

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I put a front hub on my wife's Biria Easy step which she loves. I also played around a bit with a rear hub geared motor. They both work well but I dislike the wiring mess/external controller. Keyde seems to have carved out a niche for an extremely clean installation which appeals to me.

 

[Deacon Blues]

I'd prefer to purchase this kit from the US distributor, but I live in Canada, so I'll have to pay duty, taxes, and possible tariffs. If I order directly from China there usually isn't any duty or tariffs, and sometimes there isn't even taxes.

 

[EMGX]

Short update, still waiting on the Keyde cassette tool in order to switch out the cassette. Wanting to test it on my 70's Sears 10 speed steel frame which is all that is left original from the several iterations of this bike. Fit a Tannus airless tire that I had sitting around because the disc brake adapter I installed, with some modification, won't allow wheel removal without removing the adapter and disc brake caliper. I think a cable disc caliper from another bike should work, I hope. I'd like to have it ready to ride tomorrow using the current cassette, will see.

 

[EMGX]

It's taken me a few days to make alterations to the recipient bike that I've butchered over the years. Installation of the Keyde S110 itself couldn't have been easier: install the rear wheel, battery into water bottle cage, connect with power cable. The bluetooth display is easy to program and seems to work well in my very limited use so today (raining). For the '70s frame I welded on a derailleur hanger, used the disc brake adapter that HarryS had pointed out in a different thread, changed the crankset and some other stuff. Still waiting on a clamp on cable stop and shifter cable housing to make the front derailleur functional. I hope to take it on a relatively long ride tomorrow but the typical seasonal unsettled weather will determine that.

 

[EMGX]

I'd prefer to purchase this kit from the US distributor, but I live in Canada, so I'll have to pay duty, taxes, and possible tariffs. If I order directly from China there usually isn't any duty or tariffs, and sometimes there isn't even taxes.

I'm curious if you've made a decision on a Keyde for your carbon bike? Because of weather and yard chores I haven't done much riding but what I have done is impressive. FWIW from specs and what Peterecosse has reported it is similar but higher power than Mahle X35. Mahle lists the X35 at 3.5kg for entire system while the Keyde with similar spec 7ah battery comes in at 3.6kg **correction 3.5kg same as the X35** (I weighed my heavier 10.5ah battery and found the Keyde claimed weight to be accurate).
I pretty much finished my old Sears steel frame conversion, installation of the Keyde took only minutes, but everything else including waiting for parts took a few days. I'd love to have a thru axle version on a light carbon bike.