Lady cyclist killed in Davis involving juvenile on ebike...on the bike path.

[PedalUma]

How about the reintroduction of the pillory? Defendants get the option of jail with a record with a fine. Or 12-hours in the pillory in courthouse square. A bus load of third graders get rotten veggies from the lunch room to throw.

 

[LandoftheGiants]

When empires get old and collapse, law and order is one of the first things to go.

 

[PedalUma]

For her its a push up bra with crane grade braided steel reinforced straps for the suspension of disbelief.

IMHO, sometimes less is more. But it is a public hazard because of the all the crashes caused left and right.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

Interesting that the US, the UK, and AUS all have this problem of lawless young males running amok on public infrastructure on illegal e-motos.

Q. Is it also happening in the EU? Anywhere else? Asia?

I suspect 2 factors at play here:

(1) YouTube speads the Surron/rideout/outlaw teen subculture internationally.

(2) The availability of suitable e-motos controls which countries have the biggest outbreaks.

The subculture spreads quickly because many teens in 'wealthy' countries see no good place for themselves in the world adults have created. And they kinda have a point. That makes them easy to radicalize.

That kind of alienation doesn't breed law-abiding citizens. However, it's important to make clear to them that endangering others comes with stiff consequences nonetheless. And the sooner the better.

 

[DaveMatthews]

Interesting that the US, the UK, and AUS all have this problem of lawless young males running amok on public infrastructure on illegal e-motos.

Q. Is it also happening in the EU? Anywhere else? Asia?

I suspect 2 factors at play here:

(1) YouTube speads the Surron/rideout/outlaw teen subculture internationally.

(2) The availability of suitable e-motos controls which countries have the biggest outbreaks.

The subculture spreads quickly because many teens in 'wealthy' countries see no good place for themselves in the world adults have created. And they kinda have a point. Problem is, that kind of alienation doesn't breed law-abiding citizens.

However, it's important to make clear to them that endangering others comes with stiff consequences nonetheless. And the sooner the better.

I haven't seen any outwardly dangerous riders here to speak of (packs of idiots doing wheelies in the streets etc.), just illegal equipment.

 

[Chargeride]

Im confused given Germanys strict laws and attitudes that Surronster gets to open a flash showroom, then promote it with the biggest ride out the kids have seen, rides through a national park into a castle, nearly wipes out pedestrians.

And I cant find any backlash.

The bike he was riding was a road legal emoto.

The funniest part of the video for me is the cafe owner taking the key out of his bike, the German riders with him just passively conceded to this because the guy looked important.
Surronster went along without complaint because he thought he was a friend of theirs.
So German .
He was actually giving them a lecture on riding the bike and warning them of the fines, they sat there like kids at school.
I fear that elder respect is fading very quickly.

 

[kevinmccune]

I was taught or by "osmosis" acquired"elder respect" for the most part these young punks now do not posses any,there was actually a fair amount of "elder respect" in incarceration( generally not from the youngish COs though,a few not many) When I screwed up as young forker,generally there was a penalty to pay,nowadays that seems to be absent in many cases.!

 

[stompandgo]

Unless you are a known quantity who has beliefs that align with yours in some fashion, it seems nobody has respect for anybody anymore, no matter what age they are. Some of us were not raised that way, and don't fall into that trap, but I believe that we are the minority.

 

[LandoftheGiants]

I was taught or by "osmosis" acquired"elder respect" for the most part these young punks now do not posses any

Well that's ok with me, I just wipe them. They feel hard done by, old boomers have all the houses and money. Yes true, but you have the better mobile phone and sports buds, the expensive joggers, you've had all the redBull and other boutique drinks. Now go live in a park, but not around here.

 

[RunForTheHills]

Well that's ok with me, I just wipe them. They feel hard done by, old boomers have all the houses and money. Yes true, but you have the better mobile phone and sports buds, the expensive joggers, you've had all the redBull and other boutique drinks. Now go live in a park, but not around here.

The thing they don't understand is that most of us boomers were once 24 year old renters just like them. Nobody wants to pay their dues these days.

 

[BlackHand]

The thing they don't understand is that most of us boomers were once 24 year old renters just like them. Nobody wants to pay their dues these days.

I mean ... the dues have gone up significantly.

In my region, prices pretty much tracked with the national average in 1985. Now the median income is about $120k and the median house price is $865k.

LandoftheGiants quip about living in a park isn't so far off. At 1985's house price to annual income ratio of 3.5 , a median earner might be able to afford an REI tent and a 1/4 acre of unimproved property on a steeply sloped lot with drainage problems 10-15 miles out of town.

Maybe it's different in the rust belt or down in the Outback...

 

[LandoftheGiants]

The thing they don't understand is that most of us boomers were once 24 year old renters just like them. Nobody wants to pay their dues these days.

In one sense it isn't their fault, nor is it the fault of the 'culture', the fact their brains have been colonized by social media and gaming, porn and gambling. No it's a recurrent cycle believe it or not, every 4 generations they pop up, just like every 4 generations a baby boomer type generation pops up. Cycles in human affairs. Did you know there was a big feminist movement 120 odd years ago? It was called the suffragette movement, a Vegetarian movement too, they were called Fruitarians and they had laws changed to ensure quality control etc. Then within a generation it was all forgotten, thrown into the waste bin until the baby boomers re-invented it when they came of age 80 years later. Back in the 1930's many kids refused to leave home just like today, because of economic hardship, just like today. The current Millennials are an example of the Hero generation

In the Strauss-Howe generational theory, a Hero generation is a group born during an "Unravelling" (a period of weak institutions and rising individualism). They are characterized as sheltered youths who come of age during a major societal "Crisis" (Fourth Turning), ultimately uniting to solve massive problems, defeat external threats, and rebuild society.

Doesn't sound like them does it? But they were the ones that put on uniforms and fought across Europe and the Pacific, and ultimately went on to rebuild the nations. Interesting times ahead.

Many books and article have been written about it since Strauss and Howe's original books were penned but these are mostly garbage. Plagiarists putting their own spin on things to make a profit. Strauss and Howe had backgrounds in Law, History and economics. They took a decade to research and write their first book. I read there stuff in 2005 and what an eye-opener. The information continues to serve me well, in finance, human relationships and avoiding the consequenceo of the current war cycle.

Strauss–Howe Generational Theory

The Strauss–Howe generational theory explains recurring cycles in U.S. history, with each generation shaping society in a predictable pattern.

www.glostat.com

 

[Chargeride]

On the whole the generations below me are far more reserved, law abiding and much less reckless.
Its probably phone cameras that have caused most of it and the continuing encroachment of logged consequence will reduce it to only those with nothing to lose.

 

[kevinmccune]

a lot of so called novels these days are "ghost written" the big Walmart book sellers,there seems to be no way any individual authors could crank out so much literary garbage,heres looking at JP,SK etc,I read two supposed hero epics about and by 2 heros( the dang books were almost identical) used to be a voracious reader,now I don't bother.

 

[kevinmccune]

I mean ... the dues have gone up significantly.

In my region, prices pretty much tracked with the national average in 1985. Now the median income is about $120k and the median house price is $865k.

LandoftheGiants quip about living in a park isn't so far off. At 1985's house price to annual income ratio of 3.5 , a median earner might be able to afford an REI tent and a 1/4 acre of unimproved property on a steeply sloped lot with drainage problems 10-15 miles out of town.

Maybe it's different in the rust belt or down in the Outback...

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no way Hosea! we are steadily heading back into feudal times,the greedy are winning,how much longer this is going to hold up I do not know at the core society seems increasingly rotten,one heralded as a"light on a hill" America is turning into "screw your buddy" ,pluck you I got mine" one thing the Plutocrats are missing is this eventually the "groundhog ventures from its hole" and the coyotes are waiting.

 

[Chargeride]

I always think.
'What would a tribe of monkeys do?'

Well thats us.

 

[RunForTheHills]

There was a real estate boom in the 1970's. I grew up in Orange County, CA. Around 1972 my grandparents on my father's side passed away and my dad used his inheritance to buy a $100,000 home on 1/2 an acre in a ritzy neighborhood of Anaheim called Peralta Hills down the street from his best friend at the time. I think he sold the house in Costa Mesa for something like $27,000. By the time I graduated high school in 1981, property in Peralta Hills was going for $1 million an acre. Just for the dirt.

Housing prices were skyrocketing all over Orange County in the 1980's and people were moving an hour drive out into the Inland Empire just to afford a home. The orange groves were all being sold to developers and converted to suburbs. By the time I got out of college, I didn't think I could afford to buy a house there and moved to Sacramento where I met my wife, my daughter was born, and I bought my first home. I do have friends that stayed and took the route of buying starter homes and trading up over the years into the homes they have today.

 

[edobici_forza]

Im confused given Germanys strict laws and attitudes that Surronster gets to open a flash showroom, then promote it with the biggest ride out the kids have seen, rides through a national park into a castle, nearly wipes out pedestrians.

And I cant find any backlash.

The bike he was riding was a road legal emoto.

The funniest part of the video for me is the cafe owner taking the key out of his bike, the German riders with him just passively conceded to this because the guy looked important.
Surronster went along without complaint because he thought he was a friend of theirs.
So German .
He was actually giving them a lecture on riding the bike and warning them of the fines, they sat there like kids at school.
I fear that elder respect is fading very quickly.

I had no idea who Surronster is, but today I happened to have this video in my YT feed...
He states he is not promoting "mega rides" any longer.

 

[Chargeride]

Yeah, but he cant help himself when it brings in the views.

 

[DaveMatthews]

I had no idea who Surronster is, but today I happened to have this video in my YT feed...
He states he is not promoting "mega rides" any longer.

OK, but methinks the damage has already been done...