Wired Cruiser - monster truck of ebikes.

[Gionnirocket]

That's mostly wind resistance.
Tire resistance isn't as big a factor at speed.
I live in a perfectly flat area, and when I plow into a 20 MPH headwind at 20 MPH, I max out my controller at 18 amps.
Then I turn around, and with a tail wind, my controller is only putting out ~2-3 amps.



I tried too, and they're sold out/not available anywhere.
There is a 3.8 (I forget what brand) that's a bit more available but still hard to find.



Yeah, all my throttles do that.
It sucks, but I've gotten used to it.

I think the only way to Completely get rid of the delay is with a Grin controller and display.

I installed a KT controller on my first ebike and it still has a delay.
They do it on purpose to help avoid accidentally accelerating if you bump the throttle, but anyone who's ever ridden a motorcycle knows how to work a throttle.

A motorcycle twist throttle has about ¼ twist from 0-full throttle but all the ebike throttles have about an ⅛th of a turn from 0-full, making the throttle all twitchy.
And there's dead spots at the start and end of the rotation reducing the active area even more.

There is a Domino throttle meant for an electric motorcycle that has a normal amount of rotation.

Not with a Bafang mid drive. You can set start and end voltage for a variety of throttles.
No delay and fully variable through the twist.
Like a motorcycle.

 

[Marcela]

Can't believe how much fun these big bikes are!

 

[PCeBiker]

Not with a Bafang mid drive. You can set start and end voltage for a variety of throttles.

That won't help with the throttles I've tested.

https://forums.electricbikereview.com/threads/calling-all-math-majors.57323/post-673757

No delay and fully variable through the twist.
Like a motorcycle.

The time delay is simply a programming adjustment, if it's possible to program that. (I wasn't)

But the voltage output remains the same from "Off" until the first black line.
And again, the voltage remains the same from the last black line to the end of rotation.
This is the throttle from my current ebike,..

I wrapped copper wire around the throttle so it would bind, so I can use it as cruise control.

The throttle is off now, and I have to rotate the throttle to the first black line to activate the throttle.
(the signal voltage output remains constant until I reach the first black line.)


The Domino twist throttle uses a 5kohm potentiometer and you attach resistors to the input and output to keep the voltages exactly where they need to be to get full use out of the adjustable sweep of the throttle.

Keep in mind that there are Domino throttles meant for ebikes that only have about an ⅛th of rotation for the sweep.

They're designed for e-bikes and apparently Everyone wants to go from 0 to Full with a tiny rotation of the grip.

My first ebike came with a "Quick" throttle that was simply on or off.

 

[PCeBiker]

Can't believe how much fun these big bikes are!

Don't mistake fun for dangerous.
Lack of control of handling, power, and traction is dangerous.

Get a feel for your ebike at really slow speeds.
That will give you an idea of how hard it will kick you when something happens at speed.

 

[PCeBiker]

Can't believe how much fun these big bikes are!

My first ebike came with a quick throttle.
It's an on-off switch.

I could have just gotten used to it but I didn't want to.
It Pissed Me Off in its stupidity !!

Sure, Power is impressive and fun, but you Should Be Able to Modulate the Fricken Power.

Lack of control leads to crashes!!

You need tire to road contact, with good grip, and brakes that can lock those tires up if you need to.

And a throttle that works like a motorcycle with a Full 1/4 of a twist so you can control it.

(I practice skidding both front and rear wheels in the gravel to give me a feel for my ebike.
When a heavy bike kicks you, it kicks Hard.)

Any idiot can hop on an ebike or motorcycle and go Really Really Fast in a straight line, but can they put it through a corner at that speed?

 

[PCeBiker]

Can't believe how much fun these big bikes are!

Can you skid the front wheel in the dirt without crashing?

Can you lock up the front wheel on pavement and get the rear wheel in the air?

Control isn't an option.
You need it to do tricks And to stay safe

 

[Marcela]

Agree on the throttle deal. I like to be able to modulate from the standing start and know when it is going to accelerate. Your tip on throttle position helped, I was full throttling when I wanted it to pick up at close to max spd and it took forever to power up. I guess full throttle will always take the longest to power up when already moving. From the standing start the delay is not that much with just a little grip twist, and that little twist is all it takes to power off even at the lowest setting for departure, and it is more on/off, definitely not like a motorcycle.

On the loose gravel the other day I did a 180 pivot with power, that has to be worth a few points ... Don't know if the brakes are up for any lock ups yet, they are coming in though. A brake upgrade may be in the future from the present 203mm. Wonder if the 220 are much of a change or having to change to the 250mm.

Oh yeah, this bike has cruise control, god I love cruise control.

And I bet that throttle delay is so the geared teeth in the hub are not blown out. Wonder if the nongeared hubs have the delay.

 

[PCeBiker]

On the loose gravel the other day I did a 180 pivot with power, that has to be worth a few points ...

That's Good !!
That's Practice !!

Do more slow speed maneuvers with Nobody watching.

Get a feel for your Big Fat of an ebike with No Witnesses !!

Who says a can't fly ?!?
Just gotta lern howta work em,..

I went for a ride yesterday, and a made whitewash in my eye.

I'm a big boy, (or girl in your case) I don't cry, but I'm sure glad that 's don't fly.



I can ride no hands through a forest trail at 3 kph on my 90 pound ebike.

That's not Braun or Power.

That's a girly dance move.

 

[Marcela]

When I signed on for this gig, I couldn't find a handle. In this group of ladies I meet with one was named Marcela, close enough for me, so I took it. Funny how all you buggers project onto people what they should be like. I've been riding dirt bikes for 50 yrs, karts, pissed a lot of money away on race cars, have a pretty good stable of two wheeled vehicles at the moment, have had a pretty good shop with equipment and still do. This is a funny world, everybody is a cowboy behind a keyboard.

Mark

 

[PCeBiker]

I guess full throttle will always take the longest to power up when already moving.

Not if you have direct control from the throttle to the power output of the controller.

From the standing start the delay is not that much with just a little grip twist, and that little twist is all it takes to power off

The machine (robot) knows it's standing still, so the power output is more predictable.

"Human has twisted the throttle input"
"Did the human intend to adjust the throttle input?"
"Study the human to see if it is a stupid human,.."
️

"OK, Mission Control has given permission for the human to adjust the throttle input."
"But only slowly. Humans are Stupid"

,.. definitely not like a motorcycle.

No s*it !!
I ride my ebike like a motorcycle.

I don’t pedal.
I don't wanna.

On the loose gravel the other day I did a 180 pivot with power, that has to be worth a few points ... Don't know if the brakes are up for any lock ups yet, they are coming in though.

Find out.
Try it.

A brake upgrade may be in the future from the present 203mm. Wonder if the 220 are much of a change or having to change to the 250mm.

I've only got 180mm rotors, but I can lock them up easily.
My e-bike only weighs ~90 pounds though.

Oh yeah, this bike has cruise control, god I love cruise control.

I lock my throttle to emulate cruise control.
The throttle locks both maximum speed and the power to get there.
(but it sure as he'll ain't like a throttle on a motorcycle!!)

And I bet that throttle delay is so the geared teeth in the hub are not blown out.

I'm pretty damn sure it's just a stupid way of trying to prevent stupid humans from doing stupid things like bumping the throttle by accident.

You don't need to delay two full seconds to protect teeth on the gears.
Ramping up power can happen Way faster without undo wear and tear.

Wonder if the nongeared hubs have the delay.

Perhaps,?
But only because they ain't got non torque, so you're not going to toss your ebike through the living room window when you bump the throttle.