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They took out some of those fancy howitzers a couple days back and the ammo dumps for them too. You know not of what you speak.
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Not to worry, the board neo libs (MIC worshipers) will figure a way to blame Putin.
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And it's Trump's fault.
Actually the news didn't say he sold it . He sent it. Might have given it to them, never know with The Potato. They have some good blackmail on him.
Oh Stephan, you certainly can.I do not think you can shoot as many rounds from a pistol to actually damage it
It depends on they amount of use, the type of ammunition used, how the weapon is maintained and the environment it's used in (dusty, salty, etc.), but you certainly can even with pistols wear them out or cause enough wear to seriously affect the accuracy even with only regular (and not sustained) use.
A very large number of the millions of AK-47s distributed throughout the middle east are next to useless accuracy wise out beyond a few hundred meters. But even when badly worn and poorly maintained they do obviously retain a relatively effective use at short range.
Generally though, the larger the caliber of the weapon the faster and greater the wear on the barrel. 155mm howitzers do have a very well defined lifespan, I'm just not sure if any of that information is publicly available.
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About 2 weeks for Ukraine?
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Shaking hands with a ghost is one thing, but this clapping air stuff is so so wacko ...
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Ukraine Uses Western Weapons to Take Out Nearly a Dozen Russian Ammo Depots
Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky said that the Western-supplied artillery was working "powerfully."
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This is a persuasive overview of the current situation, at least to me https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...western-arms-zelenskiy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Oh yeah, Newsweak!!!Ukraine Uses Western Weapons to Take Out Nearly a Dozen Russian Ammo Depots
Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky said that the Western-supplied artillery was working "powerfully."
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The answer is obvious. Ask yourself why would an American President do that, if a group decided to pack every surrounding country with biolabs and nukes aimed at America?
And you do understand that the forces being used are both local and others, and are not the war force of the armed forces - but a fraction. Right?
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From our perspective, it certainly makes no sense. It's not like the Russian people have no room or natural resources. In fact, thanks to climate change, they are getting more and more land liberated from permafrost and warmer temps in which to grow foods. So they don't actually have to invade another country to gain resources. (Of course, it would require knocking off the vodka to get the seeds planted and to harvest the crops...)
I think what we are seeing is the end of the usefulness of the imperialist brand of capitalism, based on ever-expanding consumption, the death throes of it. And we don't know what to replace it with or how to transition to a better system. We are killing the planet with consumption, to the point that pretty much everything we as a species do, hastens global warming and further fragments our populations into rival groups. We can't get together to solve or ameliorate the situation, and so continue to try our usual methods: war, resource grab, divide and conquer, denial, obfuscation, demonization of the other...
But I digress.
I think what we are seeing is the end of the usefulness of the imperialist brand of capitalism, based on ever-expanding consumption, the death throes of it. And we don't know what to replace it with or how to transition to a better system. We are killing the planet with consumption, to the point that pretty much everything we as a species do, hastens global warming and further fragments our populations into rival groups. We can't get together to solve or ameliorate the situation, and so continue to try our usual methods: war, resource grab, divide and conquer, denial, obfuscation, demonization of the other...
But I digress.
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And so you demonize your fellow forum members. It's you.
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Honestly, having visited Russia more than a few times, I have to say it is hard for an American to figure the place out.
Two funny stories.
In the early 90's, after the wall came down, I had a lady friend who was from (of all places) Kharkiv and still had family there. Once a month or so she'd send a care package to her relatives still there. At the time outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg a lot of personal care items (like toothpaste and shampoo) were hard to come by and were expensive when they were available. So after a few months of this and some back-and-forth with her and her relatives, I began to think. With a bit of research I worked out that at the time there were basically no import duties on products like that (into the new nation of Ukraine) and there would be basically no business licensing or taxation for people selling such products door-to-door. And the profit margins were enormous, more than enough so that all of her relatives could earn like Americans and get very fat if they wanted to. I ran this by my lady friend, she saw the merit of the idea but was skeptical her relatives would buy it. Boy was she right. They were horrified at the very idea of selling toothpaste and shampoo. This in spite of the fact that they were unemployed or very marginally employed and were basically on the edge of starvation. After she came and went from my life I had a few other conversations with other immigrants from the old Soviet Union, and they all agreed that in particular ethnic Russians would never stoop so low as to be mere salespeople. So there went that idea.
Some years later I was traveling for several months in the Russian far east, mostly between Vladivostok and Khabarovsk. Interesting country. In early fall the rivers were full of salmon, like the rivers out here were before I was born. It was an awe-inspiring sight honestly. In a street market in Khabarovsk I bought a shopping bag full of huge salmon steaks -- the kind that would sell for $25 each at a Whole Foods -- for about $2 for the whole bag. I improvised a makeshift grill and cooked some of them, and a makeshift smokehouse and smoked the rest. The folks who were hosting me at the time were extremely impressed. It occurred to me that if Russia was a normal country like France or Canada somebody would be flying 747s full of those salmon to Los Angeles and marketing "Ussuri Salmon" the same way we market "Copper River Salmon". And when I asked about if it was possible to go fishing I came to the realization that nobody there had even thought about it. So if Russia were Canada there would be a whole network of resorts and guide services dedicated to letting people catch huge salmon. I found out later there are a small number of guides in the Petropavlosk area but nowhere near the scale that would be possible or even plausible. And Japan is nearby and there are lots of fishing enthusiasts in Japan who would pay big bucks to catch a 20kg Chinook.
So go figure. Russia is a potentially very rich country that doesn't know how to avoid being poor.
Two funny stories.
In the early 90's, after the wall came down, I had a lady friend who was from (of all places) Kharkiv and still had family there. Once a month or so she'd send a care package to her relatives still there. At the time outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg a lot of personal care items (like toothpaste and shampoo) were hard to come by and were expensive when they were available. So after a few months of this and some back-and-forth with her and her relatives, I began to think. With a bit of research I worked out that at the time there were basically no import duties on products like that (into the new nation of Ukraine) and there would be basically no business licensing or taxation for people selling such products door-to-door. And the profit margins were enormous, more than enough so that all of her relatives could earn like Americans and get very fat if they wanted to. I ran this by my lady friend, she saw the merit of the idea but was skeptical her relatives would buy it. Boy was she right. They were horrified at the very idea of selling toothpaste and shampoo. This in spite of the fact that they were unemployed or very marginally employed and were basically on the edge of starvation. After she came and went from my life I had a few other conversations with other immigrants from the old Soviet Union, and they all agreed that in particular ethnic Russians would never stoop so low as to be mere salespeople. So there went that idea.
Some years later I was traveling for several months in the Russian far east, mostly between Vladivostok and Khabarovsk. Interesting country. In early fall the rivers were full of salmon, like the rivers out here were before I was born. It was an awe-inspiring sight honestly. In a street market in Khabarovsk I bought a shopping bag full of huge salmon steaks -- the kind that would sell for $25 each at a Whole Foods -- for about $2 for the whole bag. I improvised a makeshift grill and cooked some of them, and a makeshift smokehouse and smoked the rest. The folks who were hosting me at the time were extremely impressed. It occurred to me that if Russia was a normal country like France or Canada somebody would be flying 747s full of those salmon to Los Angeles and marketing "Ussuri Salmon" the same way we market "Copper River Salmon". And when I asked about if it was possible to go fishing I came to the realization that nobody there had even thought about it. So if Russia were Canada there would be a whole network of resorts and guide services dedicated to letting people catch huge salmon. I found out later there are a small number of guides in the Petropavlosk area but nowhere near the scale that would be possible or even plausible. And Japan is nearby and there are lots of fishing enthusiasts in Japan who would pay big bucks to catch a 20kg Chinook.
So go figure. Russia is a potentially very rich country that doesn't know how to avoid being poor.
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Certainly not because of communistic government control. Nope, just a big mystery.
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I recently read Slaught’s ‘Owls of the Eastern Ice’. It’s an account of the makings of a Ph.D dissertation on the world’s largest owl residing in Kamchatka. The depiction of Russian life there is eye opening (Alcoholism and testosterone ). 90% of Russia is European with most of the rest permafrost and unlikely to be arable as it thaws. Kamchatka’s wilderness is amazing though.
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Not unlike our Viet Nam and Afghanistan?
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"Led by Gold Star Mothers (mothers of soldiers killed in war), more than 1,100 veterans marched across the Lincoln Memorial Bridge to the Arlington National Cemetery gate, just beneath the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Reverend Jackson H. Day, who had a few days earlier resigned his military chaplainship, conducted a memorial service for their fellows. He said:
The gate to the cemetery had been closed and locked upon word of their impending arrival; the Gold Star mothers placed the wreaths outside the gate and departed The march re-formed and continued to the Capitol, with Congressman Pete McCloskey joining the procession en route. McCloskey and fellow Representatives Bella Abzug, Don Edwards, Shirley Chisholm, Edmund Muskie and Ogden Reid addressed the large crowd and expressed support. VVAW members defied a Justice Department-ordered injunction against camping on the Mall and set up an installation. Later that day, the District Court of Appeals lifted the injunction. Some members visited their Congressmen to lobby against U.S. participation in the war. The VVAW presented Congress with a 16-point suggested resolution for ending the war.
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Life has always been cheap in Russia…Peter the Great…Stalin…Putin
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Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan...Johnson...Nixon...Bush...
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Well, it would be if the casualties were 20 or more times greater.
We Americans don't have a lot of experience in these decadent times with such a meat grinder. The casualty rates the Russians (and Ukrainians) are seeing are a lot closer to American and Japanese casualties in Okinawa and Iwo Jima than anything that has happened since, and those two battles were ferocious even by the pretty insane standards of the Pacific War. Some of the elite Russian and Ukrainian units have taken 60 to 80 percent losses in a very short period of time. You'd have to go back to Marine Divisions in WWII to find those kinds of casualty rates among Americans.
In more recent (but still pretty distant) history the best analogy would be the October 1973 Arab-Israeli war, where all three sides (Syrians, Egyptians, and Israelis) kicked the snot out of each other over 21 furious days of fighting.
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A veteran of service? I'm not being demeaning I have complete respect for your writings and opinions. But numbers don't make PTSD any easier...
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