To the "Karens", and the "Carls" out there😂 Those riding dirty too.

[Taylor57]

harken davidson built

This is the style bike that is ruining it for us ebikers that just want a little pedal assist and some good outdoor fun. Last time I was in Santa Barbara, that's all I saw, 12-30 year olds going 25 and never pedaling...

 

[Chargeride]

The torque can be the same but mid drive torque can be multiplied at the wheel because of one's ability to do it through changing gears. There is only one gear from motor to wheel on a hub drive.

They do make two speed geared hubs, quite rare though.

 

[m@Robertson]

This is the style bike that is ruining it for us ebikers that just want a little pedal assist and some good outdoor fun. Last time I was in Santa Barbara, that's all I saw, 12-30 year olds going 25 and never pedaling...

And they're also not driving cars. This style of bike is not for me but I recognize that for youth in this era, these forms of transportation (not mere recreation) are vastly more friendly to society across a wide spectrum. Each is one less car. More of them should be encouraged. When I and my peers were 16 we were driving Camaros and Mustangs easily capable of 120 mph. A 25 mph ebike isn't quite the same big deal when put in then-vs.-now perspective

 

[6zfshdb]

And they're also not driving cars. This style of bike is not for me but I recognize that for youth in this era, these forms of transportation (not mere recreation) are vastly more friendly to society across a wide spectrum. Each is one less car. More of them should be encouraged. When I and my peers were 16 we were driving Camaros and Mustangs easily capable of 120 mph. A 25 mph ebike isn't quite the same big deal when put in then-vs.-now perspective

I agree, this style "bike" does indeed reduce the number of cars on the road. It comes at the expense of those who ride MUPs & trails though. These bikes are showing up, albeit illegally on many trails I ride, causing complaints which result in more anti e-bike regulations.

Enforcement is the answer, but that is more easily accomplished on roads than it is on trails.

 

[Kayakguy]

Tis is true about warranties. I've worked in the gun industry. Several manufacturers have lifetime warranties. Lifetime warranties look good on paper but don't mean s*it if the manufacturer doesn't stand by their products. There's quite a few gun manufacturers with such warranty but don't honor it at all.

I would think gun owners are the last people you want to piss off.

 

[E biker]

Not to judge cheep or expensive, any thoughts on the Denago 2 fat tire? Please don't reply if you don't have one,or got rid of one,I would would like to know why?

 

[spokewrench]

[when i was a little boy and the devil called my name] archie andrews promoted bendix two speed hubs in comic books.

Back then, the fatality rate for boys on bicycles was horrendous. Unlike Schwinn, Raleigh compiled safety statistics on their chopper-style bikes and found them far more dangerous than their traditional bikes. Much of the problem was instability, and the shift lever on the top tube could cause serious injuries.

I see they make 5 and 8-speed hubs with coaster brakes. Having those mechanisms enclosed is appealing in terms of maintenance, and you wouldn't get mixed up between front and rear brakes. With a good front brake, I guess a coaster brake would be adequate in back. My hub motors rule it out, AFAIK.

 

[Chargeride]

I am referring to geared electric hubs, its quite the contraption, the motor spins in reverse to change the gear ratio