The transition

jabberwocky said:
Thats a fleet F250. You can get the regular cab F150s, but generally have to go to a dealer that handles fleet sales
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What makes a pickup a "fleet pickup"? I've always pictured "fleet" as a multi-vehicle purchase by one customer. Another local has (2) F150s and (2) F250s on the lot (or in transit to lot). After checking, if someone really wants a single cab, anyone can order, no "fleet" required. After banging my head on the rear window with my single cab being rearended (no head stops in 1977) I swore off single cabs. Plus Super Cab keeps lots of stuff dry if you don't need seats back there.
jabberwocky said:
All 2 door pickups are collectively a few percent of total pickup sales, almost entirely to commercial/municipal customers.
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That isn't surprising. My first PU was a single cab ; first married, no kids. Then (2) supercabs (still 2 doors) when we got kids, as the kids grew, we switched to Suburbans (basically enclosed pickups), then to a crewcab when the kids were out and we started traveling periodically with grandkids and were doing some construction and needed to do more hauling. In our older age, we rent uhaul if needed and travel with 170 Sprinter.

People typically buy what works for them. Perhaps the "vanity pickup" crowd is a coastal thing; matches my perception of coastal folks.

All 3 of my kids (no coasties) have pickups (all crew cabs): camper shell on one used for camping and art fairs, one for camper towing and MB racing, one for auto swap meet merchandise transport. 3 out of 3 real useage
 
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Roamers said:
So you don't visit real construction sites, ok.
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Lol. I visit a pretty wide variety of residential construction, but generally the first thing done at any job site is grading and access. Once thats done they dump down gravel. You apparently don't really know what you're talking about, but its not normal to leave a construction site a mud pit for any longer than necessary. You have to enclose what you're tearing up in silt fencing and control runoff, so its the norm to limit the amount you tear up and to put down some sort erosion control as soon as possible.

Beyond the initial grading/site crew, everyone coming to the site is parking in a flattened gravel or grass area wherever staging is happening. Nobody is driving their F150 in circles around the site. Even the initial crew is generally parking their transport vehicles at the nearest paved access and doing the site work with dedicated vehicles (excavators/dozers/whatever).
 
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jabberwocky said:
I visit a pretty wide variety of residential construction,
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I didn't spend much time in the clean stage of construction. More in early stages if building areas, more in road, pipeline, and forestry work. And yes, we bounced around in mud and ruts more often than not.
 
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The German automotive industry is facing a historic crisis due to surging manufacturing costs, declining electric vehicle (EV) uptake, and intense competition from Chinese automakers. With collapsing profit margins, plunging market share in China, and tens of thousands of job losses, the "Big Three" are restructuring to regain their competitive edge.
 
Roamers said:
So you don't visit real construction sites, ok.
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i've probably visited about $10b worth of construction sites, never seen anyone use a pickup truck for anything other than getting their gear, crew, pack out boxes, etc to the site. earthwork is done by earth moving equipment and the people in the hole and on the ground aren't driving their trucks around down there. OSHA would like a word :D
 
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