The transition

[Roamers]

Thats a fleet F250. You can get the regular cab F150s, but generally have to go to a dealer that handles fleet sales

What makes a pickup a "fleet pickup"? I've always pictured "fleet" as a multi-vehicle purchase by one customer. Another local has (2) F150s and (2) F250s on the lot (or in transit to lot). After checking, if someone really wants a single cab, anyone can order, no "fleet" required. After banging my head on the rear window with my single cab being rearended (no head stops in 1977) I swore off single cabs. Plus Super Cab keeps lots of stuff dry if you don't need seats back there.

All 2 door pickups are collectively a few percent of total pickup sales, almost entirely to commercial/municipal customers.

That isn't surprising. My first PU was a single cab ; first married, no kids. Then (2) supercabs (still 2 doors) when we got kids, as the kids grew, we switched to Suburbans (basically enclosed pickups), then to a crewcab when the kids were out and we started traveling periodically with grandkids and were doing some construction and needed to do more hauling. In our older age, we rent uhaul if needed and travel with 170 Sprinter.

People typically buy what works for them. Perhaps the "vanity pickup" crowd is a coastal thing; matches my perception of coastal folks.

All 3 of my kids (no coasties) have pickups (all crew cabs): camper shell on one used for camping and art fairs, one for camper towing and MB racing, one for auto swap meet merchandise transport. 3 out of 3 real useage

 

[Roamers]

The construction sites I visit are either gravel or pavement parking

So you don't visit real construction sites, ok.

 

[jabberwocky]

So you don't visit real construction sites, ok.

Lol. I visit a pretty wide variety of residential construction, but generally the first thing done at any job site is grading and access. Once thats done they dump down gravel. You apparently don't really know what you're talking about, but its not normal to leave a construction site a mud pit for any longer than necessary. You have to enclose what you're tearing up in silt fencing and control runoff, so its the norm to limit the amount you tear up and to put down some sort erosion control as soon as possible.

Beyond the initial grading/site crew, everyone coming to the site is parking in a flattened gravel or grass area wherever staging is happening. Nobody is driving their F150 in circles around the site. Even the initial crew is generally parking their transport vehicles at the nearest paved access and doing the site work with dedicated vehicles (excavators/dozers/whatever).

 

[Rás Cnoic]

this all so fucking tedious.

 

[Roamers]

I visit a pretty wide variety of residential construction,

I didn't spend much time in the clean stage of construction. More in early stages if building areas, more in road, pipeline, and forestry work. And yes, we bounced around in mud and ruts more often than not.

 

[Roamers]

this all so fucking tedious.

I agree, let's get back to the EV "transition" dream.

In 2028, who is more likely to support the "transition" dream Vance or Rubio?

 

[Rás Cnoic]

I agree, let's get back to the EV "transition" dream.

In 2028, who is more likely to support the "transition" dream Vance or Rubio?

Who gives a shite, luckily I don't live in that Nazis soup.

 

[Roamers]

Who gives a shite, luckily I don't live in that Nazis soup.

Jealous much?

 

[jabberwocky]

I agree, let's get back to the EV "transition" dream.

In 2028, who is more likely to support the "transition" dream Vance or Rubio?

Whichever one Trump has most recently thrown under the bus to avoid blame for whatever he fucked up.

 

[Roamers]

Whichever one Trump has most recently thrown under the bus to avoid blame for whatever he fucked up.

Interesting take. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Jealous much?

Oh yes sweetie. So jealous.

 

[Roamers]

Oh yes sweetie

Glad to disappoint you, no man-bun here.

 

[Chargeride]

The elephant in the room for us is that Chinese EVs are destroying Europes car manufacturing.
Germany is getting a double whammy of losing legal Russian gas...so now were playing pretend to seize Putins ghost supply ships while also letting 599 of them through.

The German automotive industry is facing a historic crisis due to surging manufacturing costs, declining electric vehicle (EV) uptake, and intense competition from Chinese automakers. With collapsing profit margins, plunging market share in China, and tens of thousands of job losses, the "Big Three" are restructuring to regain their competitive edge.

 

[Roamers]

The elephant in the room for us is that Chinese EVs are destroying Europes car manufacturing

Why not say "no Chinese EVs" like I've read is possible?

 

[mschwett]

So you don't visit real construction sites, ok.

i've probably visited about $10b worth of construction sites, never seen anyone use a pickup truck for anything other than getting their gear, crew, pack out boxes, etc to the site. earthwork is done by earth moving equipment and the people in the hole and on the ground aren't driving their trucks around down there. OSHA would like a word

 

[jabberwocky]

i've probably visited about $10b worth of construction sites, never seen anyone use a pickup truck for anything other than getting their gear, crew, pack out boxes, etc to the site. earthwork is done by earth moving equipment and the people in the hole and on the ground aren't driving their trucks around down there. OSHA would like a word

Certainly on larger commercial sites, where there are dedicated safety crew ensuring that nobody gets hurt. No pickup is being used for anything. The company my wife works for has some 2dr F150s as fleet trucks mainly for PMs to drive from the main office to the site. The field people who actually need a lot of gear with them are mainly driving Transits.

 

[Chargeride]

Ive only got one friend with an EV a VW buzz camper thing.
He has to go mtbing in our vans because his cant drive into the mountains without stopping for an hour to charge up so he can get back out and if we fill it with us and the bikes its range falls off a cliff in the hills.

Its fine for everything else

 

[Mr. Coffee]

It seems everything is based on "financial decision" to you. Sorry to see the $ thing is everything to some.

What country, exactly, are you living in?

This is a capitalist, free enterprise society. Of course money is going to be the dominant factor. How much money you have and how you spend it is directly correlated to how long you live and how healthy you are.

Yeah, money can't buy happiness. But it surely can rent it.

 

[Roamers]

How much money you have and how you spend it is directly correlated to how long you live and how healthy you are

I agree that is true for some. Hopefully they are smart enough to not play "keep up with the neighbors". Some probably have sufficient $ they don't think about if it makes financial sense and just "do it".

Of course money is going to be the dominant factor.

It's unfortunate that is true for way to many people.

 

[Roamers]

i've probably visited about $10b worth of construction sites, never seen anyone use a pickup truck for anything other than getting their gear, crew, pack out boxes, etc to the site. earthwork is done by earth moving equipment and the people in the hole and on the ground aren't driving their trucks around down there. OSHA would like a word

Thank you Mr. Obvious. Fairly fluent in OSHA (and MSHA) and Forestry regulations. Used to carry all appropriate safety gear in my truck/Suburban even if on family vacation so I could get on any site (without family) at any time of day. My favorite sites were forestry; MSHA rules are ridiculous; construction sites tend to be boring.

Really, time to get back on topic (EV dream) before the Irish Mafia shows up in person.