The Green Room

[Art Deco]

My wife's childhood dog was a Shetland sheepdog who was so terrified they kept him medicated and tied up in the closed garage. Unfortunately one year, he pulled out of his collar and managed to get out the unlocked man door then was killed while running down the road.

Needless to say, I'll be staying home with our dog if the family goes to our city's uncancelled fireworks show tonight.

Back on topic: We just got a single Amazon delivery from a guy driving a brand new hybrid Highlander. Kinda sums up our approach to the whole save the planet thing.

Yes, the whole Amazon delivery system is great if you own a plastic bag or cardboard box company. Otherwise, not so much. And making mail carriers work Sundays to deliver it.

 

[Art Deco]

Since this is the Green Room, here's a good analysis of what the politicians see in the various 'Green New Deals'. UK specific but the same story in the USA .
"There is a lesson here for would-be green politicians – one which has dogged Green Parties for decades. That is that nobody gets elected by spelling out the true costs of tackling climate change. "

Beware the allure of green policies

Detailed environmental policies have proved to be vote losers in recent ballots

consciousnessofsheep.co.uk

 

[Cramer Long]

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One yeah : Not the act The world wide accepting of it as normal

 

[Cramer Long]

Yes, the whole Amazon delivery system is great if you own a plastic bag or cardboard box company. Otherwise, not so much. And making mail carriers work Sundays to deliver it.

Amazon is breaking the package carriers . Especially USPS . They don't pay . So they are also destroying Small businesses . Not to mention has nobody noticed how few items you get in 1-2 days anymore . That was why we signed up for prime

 

[Catalyzt]

Since this is the Green Room, here's a good analysis of what the politicians see in the various 'Green New Deals'. UK specific but the same story in the USA .
"There is a lesson here for would-be green politicians – one which has dogged Green Parties for decades. That is that nobody gets elected by spelling out the true costs of tackling climate change. "

Beware the allure of green policies

Detailed environmental policies have proved to be vote losers in recent ballots

consciousnessofsheep.co.uk

But spelling out the true costs of not tackling climate change opens candidates to ridicule and accusations of hysteria.

How's this for a campaign soundbite: "Many of our grandchildren will die young, violently, and pointlessly if we do nothing."

Even kindler, gentler versions of this message didn't work out so well for Al and Bernie.

Intelligent, principled voices on all sides of the political spectrum-- and there are far more than two-- embrace centrism and compromise, which would mean we'll do too little, too late.

 

[Art Deco]

But spelling out the true costs of not tackling climate change opens candidates to ridicule and accusations of hysteria.

How's this for a campaign soundbite: "Many of our grandchildren will die young, violently, and pointlessly if we do nothing."

Even kindler, gentler versions of this message didn't work out so well for Al and Bernie.

Intelligent, principled voices on all sides of the political spectrum-- and there are far more than two-- embrace centrism and compromise, which would mean we'll do too little, too late.

Okay. Going to take a while to unpack the "real costs" among the various lies and misdirections. Might have to do a huge post on the blog, it's way too long for here on EBR.
Almost everything designed around cars (the whole last century) will need expensive work. "I'll be back" Arnold said.

 

[PatriciaK]

It's like an artillery barrage out here, explosions, smoke - the "official" fireworks yet to begin. Also sirens, sirens, sirens - it's gonna be a long night!

 

[Art Deco]

It's like an artillery barrage out here, explosions, smoke - the "official" fireworks yet to begin. Also sirens, sirens, sirens - it's gonna be a long night!

I live way up above the town, and I could see 4 separate fireworks shows from my back deck for the first time ever.
No big danger here since it's rained every day for weeks. And all the barking dogs almost drown out the booms. Poor dogs.

 

[Catalyzt]

Yeah, it's like being in a war zone here in Los Angeles. I really hate this holiday. The need to set things on fire, add more smoke to the atmosphere at this particular moment in history, just seems like a harbinger of the devolution of our species.

Our dogs are feral in a very urban kind of way. They both have an attitude of, "Nah, gunfire and fireworks don't bother us, we're city dogs."

That bravado does not run too deep, however. I notice that they did follow us around a lot yesterday. And once when I went to pet the white one, he was trembling slightly. The blue one just stood on the edge of a ridge near our house, (on leash, of course, too many coyotes) and looked out at the mayhem he could see and hear, and barked at the horizon, occasionally looking back at me over his shoulder like, "How DARE they do that?! They have no right! Let me at 'em! I'll rip them to shreds!"

I know the feeling, little guy. I know the feeling.

 

[Westlafadeaway]

Amazon is breaking the package carriers . Especially USPS . They don't pay . So they are also destroying Small businesses . Not to mention has nobody noticed how few items you get in 1-2 days anymore . That was why we signed up for prime

When Trump attacked Amazon saying something similar to this, USPS came out and said it loved Amazon, that it made them money.

Amazon’s business generated $1.6 billion in 2019 profit for the USPS, new report finds
"According to documents obtained by watchdog group American Oversight, Amazon generated $1.6 billion in profit and $3.9 billion in revenue for the USPS in fiscal year 2019, with the postal service delivering 1.54 billion packages for the e-commerce giant. That represented about 30 percent of Amazon’s total volume last year, and, according to the Post, revenue has increased this year."

Amazon’s business generated $1.6 billion in 2019 profit for the USPS, new report finds

The total was about 30 percent of Amazon’s total volume last year

www.theverge.com

 

[Westlafadeaway]

The whole world where it's summer is like this in spots . Look at Lebanon and Syria . As well as Iraq and Afgan. 120 degrees in the Shade with no electric . This isn't climate change. It's Judgement . It's also going to get way way way worse . Fast

Lol. All those record heat waves we've seen the last ten years (and the worst the last two years) disagrees with you.

 

[Westlafadeaway]

Ahh Keep in mind The California Gov't created some of this themselves . Trying to save some frog species or something like that . I remember seeing that reported on a few years back. Farmers were mad because water had been taken away . Then there were Wealthy Elites Watering the grass. Lets keep in mind . If this was due to Co2 and pollution control it would have corrected itself. Anyone who grew up around foundries in the last 60 years or so. Remembers how black and polluted the sky was . Where the roofs of homes and car tops were blackened . That's all been filtered out . At least in America Pollution is non existent . Yet there's still drought . Could it be when the Bible says in the latter days the Sun will scorch the earth . Lakes will dry up and the ground will crumble underfoot . But man will curse God refusing to repent . Kinda seems relevant

Listen, I have one rule when reading these arguments: citations. Nothing in your post is based on reality. 1) Let's start with an easy one: Any person who has even a little understanding of water politics in the West knows that the water rights were largely done by claims before California existed. So "trying to save some frog species" is simply made up mental masturbation. 2) No water has in fact been taken away from farmers. There was no water to give them and so it was rationed (based on the claims they had). When they realized they would not get enough water because their allotments were lower than their plants needed, they were pissed. But they got their allotment based on their water claims which go back 4 hundred years. 3) This is water, not Co2- don't make a strawman to confound the fact that you are ignorant of what is going on. 4) "At least in America Poillution is non existent" [sic]- what????? I mean.... what.... "Yet there's still a drought"

 

[Cramer Long]

But spelling out the true costs of not tackling climate change opens candidates to ridicule and accusations of hysteria.

How's this for a campaign soundbite: "Many of our grandchildren will die young, violently, and pointlessly if we do nothing."

Even kindler, gentler versions of this message didn't work out so well for Al and Bernie.

Intelligent, principled voices on all sides of the political spectrum-- and there are far more than two-- embrace centrism and compromise, which would mean we'll do too little, too late.

Lol. All those record heat waves we've seen the last ten years (and the worst the last two years) disagrees with you.

those aren't heat waves in the ME . You must not have served . They have no electricity ,

 

[Art Deco]

Link to @ChezCheese:) toasted forest thread

Toasted forest

The past several days we have been camping around Washington's Olympic Peninsula. We did not take our bikes, but I wanted to share with you all how the heat/drought/climate change has affected the forest. The more open the forest is, the more devastating the effect. The photos below were taken...

electricbikereview.com

 

[J.R.]

Yes, the whole Amazon delivery system is great if you own a plastic bag or cardboard box company. Otherwise, not so much. And making mail carriers work Sundays to deliver it.

Not just Amazon, it's even worse from Chinese companies selling direct. 2 year old report and it's much worse today.

 

[Art Deco]

Nytimes.com on PNW wildfires and the cooling power of trees

Record Wildfires on the West Coast Are Capping a Disastrous Decade (Published 2020)

One after another, major fires exploded across Washington, Oregon and California earlier this month. They have added up to the worst fire season on record.

www.nytimes.com

What Technology Could Reduce Heat Deaths? Trees. (Published 2021)

At a time when climate change is making heat waves more frequent and more severe, trees are stationary superheroes: They can lower urban temperatures 10 lifesaving degrees, scientists say.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Art Deco]

Not just Amazon, it's even worse from Chinese companies selling direct. 2 year old report and it's much worse today.

Just absurd.

 

[Art Deco]

Exon is still Exon. This was a "sting operation" disguised as job interviews .

Exxon Lobbyists Caught Saying Quiet Part Out Loud On Climate Obstruction | Common Dreams

These revelations should indeed be shocking to all of us as they lay bare the true reality of Exxon’s dangerous views as a corporation and how they work the political system to allow them to continue their damaging ways.

www.commondreams.org

 

[john peck]

Exon is still Exon. This was a "sting operation" disguised as job interviews .

Exxon Lobbyists Caught Saying Quiet Part Out Loud On Climate Obstruction | Common Dreams

These revelations should indeed be shocking to all of us as they lay bare the true reality of Exxon’s dangerous views as a corporation and how they work the political system to allow them to continue their damaging ways.

www.commondreams.org

Really? who knew? Not really a revelation; exxon is a well spring of environmental disasters, anything
to preserve oil addiction.

 

[john peck]

With Bezos, Branson, & Musk spending billions to get off this planet, I´m a little concerned
at what they know that we don´t!