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[Cramer Long]

NY Times article on CA agriculture in the drought .

It’s Some of America’s Richest Farmland. But What Is It Without Water? (Published 2021)

A California farmer decides it makes better business sense to sell his water than to grow rice. An almond farmer considers uprooting his trees to put up solar panels. Drought is transforming the state, with broad consequences for the food supply.

www.nytimes.com

The whole world where it's summer is like this in spots . Look at Lebanon and Syria . As well as Iraq and Afgan. 120 degrees in the Shade with no electric . This isn't climate change. It's Judgement . It's also going to get way way way worse . Fast

 

[Gordon71]

NY Times article on CA agriculture in the drought .

It’s Some of America’s Richest Farmland. But What Is It Without Water? (Published 2021)

A California farmer decides it makes better business sense to sell his water than to grow rice. An almond farmer considers uprooting his trees to put up solar panels. Drought is transforming the state, with broad consequences for the food supply.

www.nytimes.com

Almond farmers aren't exactly to blame for the drought but that crop should be banned in CA. It uses way to much water compared to what it yields.

 

[Gordon71]

Ahh Keep in mind The California Gov't created some of this themselves . Trying to save some frog species or something like that . I remember seeing that reported on a few years back. Farmers were mad because water had been taken away . Then there were Wealthy Elites Watering the grass. Lets keep in mind . If this was due to Co2 and pollution control it would have corrected itself. Anyone who grew up around foundries in the last 60 years or so. Remembers how black and polluted the sky was . Where the roofs of homes and car tops were blackened . That's all been filtered out . At least in America Pollution is non existent . Yet there's still drought . Could it be when the Bible says in the latter days the Sun will scorch the earth . Lakes will dry up and the ground will crumble underfoot . But man will curse God refusing to repent . Kinda seems relevant

Pollution is non existent in America? Are you nuts? Try breathing the exhaust from your car for an hour and let me know how you feel.

 

[Alvin1957]

Please do be careful this 4th. Come on over to the Dallas area, get inside the I-635 belt and take a deep breath or two...feel the headache? That is not the effect of clean air. Take a fish from the Trinity River for dinner. There is no telling what industrial crap will attack your liver, pancreas, brain (whether only 12 cells or 12 billion).

 

[Cramer Long]

Pollution is non existent in America? Are you nuts? Try breathing the exhaust from your car for an hour and let me know how you feel.

LOL That's not pollution : It's C02 which is negated because Green things Thrive on it . In turn giving us oxygen . Your comment shows you don't understand basic science : Who would be dumb enough to breath in exhaust ? Plus if what you are saying had any validity . We'd all be suffocating . Apparently You do not know about Catalytic Converters . News flash They eliminated pollutants . To claim Americas Air quality isn't 100 times better then anywhere else in the World is nonsense .
We all know the government Lies . The Comments here on UFO crap shows people know teh government lies all the time. Yet suddenly because Saving the Planet you can't save appeals to your feeling Good about Yourself Meter . You're suck right in
In the Mid 1980's they were telling us we need to cut back on gas consumption or we'd be in an ice age by 2000. Then it was the planet is heating up . When people realized that was all lies . They changed the wording and call it climate Chaos . Anyone who reads about the Battles during the Revolutionary War . Immediately sees we won several battles because of Tremendous Hurricanes . Yet today that's suddenly caused by Gas consumption .

WHAT ABOUT ELECTRIC BIKES & CARS? Do you not understand how much emissions thru coal goes into making batteries ?? Electric anything isn't doing one thing to benefit . Go do some basic Research. You'll be shocked based on what you probably believe about Battery cars and Bikes helping the climate . It's all a Lie .

The vast Majority of Chinese people in China ride bikes everywhere . Go to China if you want to see what pollution really looks like . America's air quality is just fine :

 

[Alvin1957]

LOL That's not pollution : It's C02 which is negated because Green things Thrive on it . In turn giving us oxygen . Your comment shows you don't understand basic science : Who would be dumb enough to breath in exhaust ? Plus if what you are saying had any validity . We'd all be suffocating . Apparently You do not know about Catalytic Converters . News flash They eliminated pollutants . To claim Americas Air quality isn't 100 times better then anywhere else in the World is nonsense .
We all know the government Lies . The Comments here on UFO crap shows people know teh government lies all the time. Yet suddenly because Saving the Planet you can't save appeals to your feeling Good about Yourself Meter . You're suck right in
In the Mid 1980's they were telling us we need to cut back on gas consumption or we'd be in an ice age by 2000. Then it was the planet is heating up . When people realized that was all lies . They changed the wording and call it climate Chaos . Anyone who reads about the Battles during the Revolutionary War . Immediately sees we won several battles because of Tremendous Hurricanes . Yet today that's suddenly caused by Gas consumption .

WHAT ABOUT ELECTRIC BIKES & CARS? Do you not understand how much emissions thru coal goes into making batteries ?? Electric anything isn't doing one thing to benefit . Go do some basic Research. You'll be shocked based on what you probably believe about Battery cars and Bikes helping the climate . It's all a Lie .

The vast Majority of Chinese people in China ride bikes everywhere . Go to China if you want to see what pollution really looks like . America's air quality is just fine :

Hello and I'm stunned. I don't recall ever before having met a graduate (even in disembodied electronic form) of the Church of St. Mattress School of Advanced Thinkology. I'll let all my colleagues know that our penchant for setting up experiments and analyzing the results and making predictions and then adjusting our theories and models needs to drenched in this fragmented thought, revealed truth, cherry picked stuff. Perhaps it would be good to consider why we REALLY don't take your thoughts seriously. No, not the reasons you tell yourself.

 

[Mulezen]

My donkey is getting tiresome

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[Cramer Long]

Hello and I'm stunned. I don't recall ever before having met a graduate (even in disembodied electronic form) of the Church of St. Mattress School of Advanced Thinkology. I'll let all my colleagues know that our penchant for setting up experiments and analyzing the results and making predictions and then adjusting our theories and models needs to drenched in this fragmented thought, revealed truth, cherry picked stuff. Perhaps it would be good to consider why we REALLY don't take your thoughts seriously. No, not the reasons you tell yourself.

The Clean AIR ACT

And I quote from the EPA's Webpage
The U.S. vehicle pollution control under the Clean Air Act is a major success story by many measures:

• New passenger vehicles are 98-99% cleaner for most tailpipe pollutants compared to the 1960s.
• Fuels are much cleaner—lead has been eliminated, and sulfur levels are more than 90% lower than they were prior to regulation.
• U.S. cities have much improved air quality, despite ever increasing population and increasing vehicle miles traveled.
• Standards have sparked technology innovation from industry.

 

[Cramer Long]

You are doing very well. He (She? It? Hard to tell.) is my second ignore.
That's what I get for bragging that I don't ignore members, just threads .

That's the whole problem : You guys are so decieved by your own narrative ; You Ignore the facts :

Straight from the EPA Website In case you don't know EPA Environmental Protection Agency

The U.S. vehicle pollution control under the Clean Air Act is a major success story by many measures:

• New passenger vehicles are 98-99% cleaner for most tailpipe pollutants compared to the 1960s.
• Fuels are much cleaner—lead has been eliminated, and sulfur levels are more than 90% lower than they were prior to regulation.
• U.S. cities have much improved air quality, despite ever increasing population and increasing vehicle miles traveled.
• Standards have sparked technology innovation from industry

 

[PatriciaK]

You are doing very well. He (She? It? Hard to tell.) is my second ignore.
That's what I get for bragging that I don't ignore members, just threads .

I think I've got 4...

 

[Taylor57]

Love the Green Room!

 

[Catalyzt]

Hello and I'm stunned. I don't recall ever before having met a graduate (even in disembodied electronic form) of the Church of St. Mattress School of Advanced Thinkology. I'll let all my colleagues know that our penchant for setting up experiments and analyzing the results and making predictions and then adjusting our theories and models needs to drenched in this fragmented thought, revealed truth, cherry picked stuff. Perhaps it would be good to consider why we REALLY don't take your thoughts seriously. No, not the reasons you tell yourself.

It's so weird-- as a mental health professional, if CL showed up at in my consulting room, my visceral and immediate response would be empathy and compassion. I would remember how easy it is to get swept up in a cult, that it almost happened to me once or twice, how some of my closest friend escaped from cults, etc.

But when I'm off duty, I have zero tolerance for this behavior. And I'm not sure that we have to be civilized and respectful when someone barges into a public space and starts raving drivel that's basically on the same level as "pepper comes from ants, they're both little black things, just open your eyes and see the truth!"

I can't help thinking that part of the goal here is a kind of digital terrorism. It's like someone screaming constantly that thousands of years of reason and the evolution of human thought can be erased in a single instant, as if one person had the power to compel the rest of us to devolve into total savagery.

 

[Art Deco]

Love the Green Room!

As I am the OP, I should say 'Thank you'. It's an interesting thread, but depressing at times. We live in interesting times, indeed.

 

[BlackHand]

Anyway, everyone, have a safe 4th, try not to start any fires. I know it´s tradition, but fireworks
are really passe & cause injury & property loss in the millions.... & drive my dogs nuts.

It's strangely quiet here so far with fireworks being banned for the first time in my part of the county. Until this year we were one of the last legal pockets near Seattle so it's usually like a war zone on this weekend.

My wife is at the vet's now picking up some of the good stuff for our dog anyways. We tried otc chewables last year and he still wouldn't willingly go outside for a week.

 

[Cramer Long]

It's strangely quiet here so far with fireworks being banned for the first time in my part of the county. Until this year we were one of the last legal pockets near Seattle so it's usually like a war zone on this weekend.

My wife is at the vet's now picking up some of the good stuff for our dog anyways. We tried otc chewables last year and he still wouldn't willingly go outside for a week.

So did you serve ? And if so : What happened to your thought process that you agree with what doesn't match the evidence

 

[Art Deco]

It's strangely quiet here so far with fireworks being banned for the first time...
SNIP...
.My wife is at the vet's now picking up some of the good stuff for our dog anyways. We tried otc chewables last year and he still wouldn't willingly go outside for a week.

My sympathy to you. I had a collie, and lived by a park when they still played the 1812 overture on July 4th. With cannons.

 

[Gordon71]

My sympathy to you. I had a collie, and lived by a park when they still played the 1812 overture on July 4th. With cannons.

I remember when a friend of mine went to a fireworks show and left his Siberian Husky in the cab of his less than 24 hours old brand new truck. When the show was over he returned to his truck and it looked like the fireworks had gone off inside the cab.

 

[tomjasz]

My sympathy to you. I had a collie, and lived by a park when they still played the 1812 overture on July 4th. With cannons.

My Wire Fox Terriers in their old age, 12, were completely disturbed and terrified by fireworks. I hate the asshats and their fireworks. My Simon jumped in bed completely out of it shacking trembling and peeing himself. He was a gentle and kind soul. But his failing hearing and eyesight made him terrified.

 

[Mulezen]

I had a friend with epilepsy who would have seizures. I assume the same could be true of some autistics. My livestock have in the past run through fences in their terror. Temple Grandin speaks to this from the point of view of someone who is autistic, and a renowned animal behaviorist.

 

[BlackHand]

My sympathy to you. I had a collie, and lived by a park when they still played the 1812 overture on July 4th. With cannons.

My wife's childhood dog was a Shetland sheepdog who was so terrified they kept him medicated and tied up in the closed garage. Unfortunately one year, he pulled out of his collar and managed to get out the unlocked man door then was killed while running down the road.

Needless to say, I'll be staying home with our dog if the family goes to our city's uncancelled fireworks show tonight.

Back on topic: We just got a single Amazon delivery from a guy driving a brand new hybrid Highlander. Kinda sums up our approach to the whole save the planet thing.