The Green Room

[Art Deco]

You are a wise man, and likely have much better control over your temper than I do. Better to keep them off the ignore list so we can know what they're doing-- but very hard for me, personally, to do so.

Whenever you see "massive human trafficking?" If they're talking about US borders, that's often Q at work, or one of their splinter factions.

Q is trying to branch out into the most unlikely places. It doesn't surprise me that they might show up here. I've even seen Qs speak at AA meetings-- usually a tirade that has little or nothing to do with recovery-- which is incredibly ugly-- exploiting a vulnerable population like that-- unless you have an Old Timer with enough balls to throw them out.

I think sometimes their intent is just to piss us of anyone who isn't completely consumed by fear, or to demoralize and make us believe the plight of our species is hopeless. The goal is to instill just that little bit of doubt... maybe the election really was rigged, maybe there is some massive conspiracy to deny some hidden truth... it's a surprisingly seductive fantasy.

Anything to just steal a few moments of peace and contentment from those of us who actually get our hands dirty working on ugly problems that really exist.

The worst is when they sign off with: "I will pray for you."

Very hard not to engage.

I once offered to burn a spiritual candle for some young evangelical woman when she said that. She seemed to think I had horns, a tail, and more than a whiff of sulphur ...

 

[john peck]

You are a wise man, and likely have much better control over your temper than I do. Better to keep them off the ignore list so we can know what they're doing-- but very hard for me, personally, to do so.

Whenever you see "massive human trafficking?" If they're talking about US borders, that's often Q at work, or one of their splinter factions.

Q is trying to branch out into the most unlikely places. It doesn't surprise me that they might show up here. I've even seen Qs speak at AA meetings-- usually a tirade that has little or nothing to do with recovery-- which is incredibly ugly-- exploiting a vulnerable population like that-- unless you have an Old Timer with enough balls to throw them out.

I think sometimes their intent is just to piss us of anyone who isn't completely consumed by fear, or to demoralize and make us believe the plight of our species is hopeless. The goal is to instill just that little bit of doubt... maybe the election really was rigged, maybe there is some massive conspiracy to deny some hidden truth... it's a surprisingly seductive fantasy.

Anything to just steal a few moments of peace and contentment from those of us who actually get our hands dirty working on ugly problems that really exist.

The worst is when they sign off with: "I will pray for you."

Very hard not to engage.

I don´t much pray for people. I did ask for a cool wind from the NW. Now 73 degrees, seemed to work.

 

[Art Deco]

Okay, so @john peck you are currently 2 for 2 for weather requests. NASA claims be 0 for hundreds of attempts at weather control . Any chance you can point out their error?

 

[john peck]

Okay, so @john peck you are currently 2 for 2 for weather requests. NASA claims be 0 for hundreds of attempts at weather control . Any chance you can point out their error?

Well, A-I is now broadcast like tv & radio, if you tune in you can make requests.

 

[Art Deco]

Que 'Just About to Call the Number ' by James Taylor.
I get the idea that there is a lot of money in researching 'Weather Control' but very little for 'Weather Improvement' or 'Weather Harm Reduction'.

 

[john peck]

Que 'Just About to Call the Number ' by James Taylor.
I get the idea that there is a lot of money in researching 'Weather Control' but very little for 'Weather Improvement' or 'Weather Harm Reduction'.

If one´s request was in harmony with nature, it was being granted before you made it... but may require
some assistance.

 

[Alvin1957]

Hey gang,
Interesting reading. I am afraid (I suspect that you know) that this is going to go nowhere useful. There is an endless supply of self-deluding, internally sort-of-consistent stories that people will tell you about why climate change, acidification of oceans, radionuclide decay, relativity, the Hubble Constant, etc. are just deceptions created by some mystical being or non-believer. 'The data is made up' or the fossils were put there by a deity to test your faithfulness, or put there by some Satan-like creature to tempt you or they know little or nothing of chemistry, physics, geology, etc. and resort to simplistic fourth grade explanations or extremely complex topics. Don't get them started with the misuse of entropy, closed and open systems. They love to misuse Occam's Razor. These people will believe several mutually exclusive piles of weasel excrement at the same time and just don't (won't) see it. When all else fails them, they will resort to some sort of religious babble that doesn't even constitute a coherent thought or genuine sentence. You might want to look into some of the broader descriptions of 'death cults'. This seems to help understand their mind set and where it might lead.

 

[Art Deco]

Hey gang,
Interesting reading. I am afraid (I suspect that you know) that this is going to go nowhere useful. There is an endless supply of self-deluding, internally sort-of-consistent stories that people will tell you about why climate change, acidification of oceans, radionuclide decay, relativity, the Hubble Constant, etc. are just deceptions created by some mystical being or non-believer. 'The data is made up' or the fossils were put there by a deity to test your faithfulness, or put there by some Satan-like creature to tempt you or they know little or nothing of chemistry, physics, geology, etc. and resort to simplistic fourth grade explanations or extremely complex topics. Don't get them started with the misuse of entropy, closed and open systems. They love to misuse Occam's Razor. These people will believe several mutually exclusive piles of weasel excrement at the same time and just don't (won't) see it. When all else fails them, they will resort to some sort of religious babble that doesn't even constitute a coherent thought or genuine sentence. You might want to look into some of the broader descriptions of 'death cults'. This seems to help understand their mind set and where it might lead.

That's a lot of words for ' people always see/hear/approve what they want to believe ', and of course you are correct.
But people can and do change their minds and their behavior very quickly ... but only after trying everything else first.

 

[john peck]

That's a lot of words for ' people always see/hear/approve what they want to believe ', and of course you are correct.
But people can and do change their minds and their behavior very quickly ... but only after trying everything else first.

Not quickly enough. When the herd stampedes toward the cliff, the one running the other way looks
crazy. For many the realization will be no different than a deer caught in the headlights.

 

[Art Deco]

Not quickly enough. When the herd stampedes toward the cliff, the one running the other way looks
crazy. For many the realization is no different than a deer caught in the headlights.

I hate to hit like on that post but I know what you mean. We (humans) are cutting it really close.And the extinction event is already upon the animals and plants that we don't want.

 

[Alvin1957]

That's a lot of words for ' people always see/hear/approve what they want to believe ', and of course you are correct.
But people can and do change their minds and their behavior very quickly ... but only after trying everything else first.

I agree. I have a lot more confidence in the human race than I let on.

 

[john peck]

I hate to hit like on that post but I know what you mean. We (humans) are cutting it really close.And the extinction event is already upon the animals and plants that we don't want.

Yeah, That´s something I´ve fought to avoid for 50 years. Something goes extinct practically every day,
gone without so much as a whimper. Wildlife ´round here continues to slowly disappear. Having never
known what´s been lost, the younger generation is led around by the media, cell phones, & game consoles,
oblivious to the majesty of nature. Is what we´ve gained technologically really worth what we´ve lost in
terms of beauty & environmental health? I´m terrified. The downhill spiral goes on unabated while we
entertain ourselves with shiny things & goods that have no real purpose other than garbage clutter.

 

[Art Deco]

Sometimes, think we may be the first species to amuse itself to death.

 

[Alvin1957]

Yeah, That´s something I´ve fought to avoid for 50 years. Something goes extinct practically every day,
gone without so much as a whimper. Wildlife ´round here continues to slowly disappear. Having never
known what´s been lost, the younger generation is led around by the media, cell phones, & game consoles,
oblivious to the majesty of nature. Is what we´ve gained technologically really worth what we´ve lost in
terms of beauty & environmental health? I´m terrified. The downhill spiral goes on unabated while we
entertain ourselves with shiny things & goods that have no real purpose other than garbage clutter.

Hello John,
An interesting line of thinking here. All the technological advancement and golly-gee gizmo stuff need not have been abused and overused. It does seem like we're in a race between the abuse and overuse of our ingenuity and appetite (race to extinction) and using that same ingenuity to reign ourselves in and use some judgement. Such a shame that we could live on a garden planet and still, someday, get to the other planets and maybe even the stars and here we are, rushing headlong toward a planet that looks like a cross been the surface of Mercury and scenes from Blade Runner.

 

[john peck]

Sometimes, think we may be the first species to amuse itself to death.

Yup, it´s scary, I´m starting to feel like Doctor Strangelove, & love the bomb. At least it´s a swift
means of annihilation. Why prolong the agony?

 

[Art Deco]

Hello John,
An interesting line of thinking here. All the technological advancement and golly-gee gizmo stuff need not have been abused and overused. It does seem like we're in a race between the abuse and overuse of our ingenuity and appetite (race to extinction) and using that same ingenuity to reign ourselves in and use some judgement. Such a shame that we could live on a garden planet and still, someday, get to the other planets and maybe even the stars and here we are, rushing headlong toward a planet that looks like a cross been the surface of Mercury and scenes from Blade Runner.

A few decades ago only in bad science fiction could I envision a world when people wouldn't visit an American city without a mask and a gun. And we know how that movie ends.
But the reality is we get to choose another movie. Quickly.

 

[Cramer Long]

A few decades ago only in bad science fiction could I envision a world when people wouldn't visit an American city without a mask and a gun. And we know how that movie ends.
But the reality is we get to choose another movie. Quickly.

How it ends is NWO Global Govt : The arrival of teh beast The Loosing of the Demons with bodies of Men Teeth like lions and tails like Scorpions (To torment those who take the mark and worship the Beast .) For they will seek death in those days and not find it . In their torment they curse and blaspheme the lord How it ends is 7 years of what hell is going to be like . 2/3's of humanity will perish . Earthquakes will run across the world . Men's hearts will fail from the things they see coming onto the earth .
All the nations of the world will blame the Jews and come to the Valley of Megedo to wipe them out . That is when the end comes . When Jesus returns in the clouds with his angels and Saints he'd removed from the earth before God's Wrath was unleased .

 

[john peck]

The downside of our ´supposed´ democracy, ( i.e. bureaucracy ), is that it takes enough paperwork
to get a wastebasket emptied to fill one. Waiting for politicians to get anything vaguely necessary
done is like watching paint dry. OMG, what I´d give for a compassionate philosopher king.

 

[john peck]

Anyway, everyone, have a safe 4th, try not to start any fires. I know it´s tradition, but fireworks
are really passe & cause injury & property loss in the millions.... & drive my dogs nuts.

 

[Art Deco]

NY Times article on CA agriculture in the drought .

It’s Some of America’s Richest Farmland. But What Is It Without Water? (Published 2021)

A California farmer decides it makes better business sense to sell his water than to grow rice. An almond farmer considers uprooting his trees to put up solar panels. Drought is transforming the state, with broad consequences for the food supply.

www.nytimes.com