The Green Room

[Art Deco]

Agreed. CNN, FOX, and the rest are all in business just to sell you stuff. Any news is just filler to surround the ads. But people have heard of them, and aren't likely to follow a link to a real science site ...Yawn...

 

[Art Deco]

Smoke from Wildfires

The long distance harm to health caused by wildfires

Smoke from burning forests and peat can linger in the atmosphere for weeks, travelling thousands of miles and harming the health of populations living far away.

www.bbc.com

 

[Art Deco]

Permanent evacuations in Pacific islands

Climate change: How global warming & rising sea levels are affecting Fiji

Newsround has been to Fiji, a country on the climate change frontline, to see how it is being affected by rising sea levels caused by the increasing global temperatures.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Browneye]

Permanent evacuations in Pacific islands

Climate change: How global warming & rising sea levels are affecting Fiji

Newsround has been to Fiji, a country on the climate change frontline, to see how it is being affected by rising sea levels caused by the increasing global temperatures.

www.bbc.co.uk

Appears to be regurgitated global warming talking points, really short on facts. Someone pushing an agenda. [shrug]
When you have to keep changing the name of your agenda to peak people's interest, it reveals the absence of facts or basis for claims.

 

[Art Deco]

Appears to be regurgitated global warming talking points, really short on facts. Someone pushing an agenda. [shrug]
When you have to keep changing the name of your agenda to peak people's interest, it reveals the absence of facts or basis for claims.

Like anything in major media facts are are rare, because people won't usually read them.
What was interesting here was that these villages just gave up and abandoned their homes ... way worse than just pumping out the basements, shoveling out the mud, and moving back in the way we do here every decade or so.

 

[GypsyTreker]

We are often told we must "save Mother Earth". I think the fallacy in all this is that "Mother Earth" could care less if the human species survives or doesn't. I'm impressed with @artdecos efforts to go green. Green is simply a smart solution to move us forward from the fossil and coal solutions that were needed when they were. Going Green is a very self serving move in the right direction.

 

[Art Deco]

We are often told we must "save Mother Earth". I think the fallacy in all this is that "Mother Earth" could care less if the human species survives or doesn't. I'm impressed with @artdecos efforts to go green. Green is simply a smart solution to move us forward from the fossil and coal solutions that were needed when they were. Going Green is a very self serving move in the right direction.

Don't be impressed... I'm not. Just sorting through the B.S. about this is more effort than I think is reasonable, only to come up with "Not much you can do except try to prepare for the worst, while hoping for the best" which isn't much of a strategy, TBH.

 

[Art Deco]

Don't be impressed... I'm not. Just sorting through the B.S. about this is more effort than I think is reasonable, only to come up with "Not much you can do except try to prepare for the worst, while hoping for the best" which isn't much of a strategy, TBH.

But as a even more offtopic note, the suburbs once condemned as the worst possible use of land could turn out very well indeed if distances traveled by humans drops the way they can . Why would a telecommuter with kids in Virtual education want to live in any city now?

My guess involves victory gardens in every backyard, painting all city roofs high gloss white, with bikelanes covered in solar panels connecting transit without getting wet. The Unicorn says 'It's an equation ... impact equals population times energy use modified by technology".
Solve for quality of life.

 

[Sierratim]

But as a even more offtopic note, the suburbs once condemned as the worst possible use of land could turn out very well indeed if distances traveled by humans drops the way they can . Why would a telecommuter with kids in Virtual education want to live in any city now?

My guess involves victory gardens in every backyard, painting all city roofs high gloss white, with bikelanes covered in solar panels connecting transit without getting wet. The Unicorn says 'It's an equation ... impact equals population times energy use modified by technology".
Solve for quality of life.

Phoenix, AZ is experimenting with white street paving to lessen the heat island effect...

 

[Art Deco]

Phoenix, AZ is experimenting with white street paving to lessen the heat island effect...

What's the summer temp there ? Triple digits? And we're experimenting? Issac Newton knew that white colors reflect heat ...

 

[Art Deco]

And dark colors absorb. The experimental part involves economics and blinding reflections, maybe

 

[Browneye]

Mass exodus from big cities is going to (or has) drive suburban property values through the roof. And they talk about a real estate crash - well sure, if you're in Manhattan. LOL
CA voted down the law that would allow for re-zononing in ANY neighborhood for multi-family housing. It would have literally killed the suburbs.

 

[Art Deco]

So assuming they are telling the truth and the five or six big tech firms actually go carbon neutral, what about OUR government's and other industry's energy use and pollution?

Google says its carbon footprint is now zero

The technology giant has also pledged to be using only carbon-free energy by 2030.

www.bbc.com

 

[Art Deco]

Looks like published emissions don't correspond to reality. Shocking, I know.

Plug-in hybrids are a 'wolf in sheep's clothing'

Although marketed as a green option, the cars cause more polluting than is claimed, campaigners say.

www.bbc.com

 

[Art Deco]

And one more for today. I've had all the depression I need.

How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled

An NPR and PBS Frontline investigation reveals how the oil and gas industry used the promise of recycling to sell more plastic, even when they knew it would never work on a large scale.

www.npr.org

 

[Browneye]

Wildfires and volcanos offset any effort by industry or governments to reduce carbon emissions. It's all part of the giant lie of climate-change alarmists. Take out China and India and MAYBE you could put a tiny dent in it.
The latest science is they underestimated the absorption of Co2 by the oceans. Sure, lots of folks like to claim this is all settled science, but it's just not. It's an old planet. My guess is the inhabitants will kill each other off before the environment does.
The latest hoopla is connecting the wildfires of the west to climate change. Gee, I fail to see how an arsonist can be claimed to be 'climate'.

 

[Art Deco]

Actually, never mind. If you like the weather, then fine.

 

[Art Deco]

Too many hurricanes for the regular alphabet...

So 2020: New Storm Forms, Named Alpha Because We've Run Out Of Letters

There's only been one other year — 2005 — that Greek names have been needed. The National Hurricane Center on Friday announced storms called Alpha and Beta have formed in the Atlantic.

www.npr.org

 

[john peck]

So assuming they are telling the truth and the five or six big tech firms actually go carbon neutral, what about OUR government's and other industry's energy use and pollution?

Google says its carbon footprint is now zero

The technology giant has also pledged to be using only carbon-free energy by 2030.

www.bbc.com

The U,S, military uses nearly as much fossil fuel as the rest of the nation combined. ($70k for hair care? Wow, thatś about $50 a hair.)

 

[ChezCheese:)]

My husband loves VW. He had a VW diesel Jetta and loved the fuel mileage he got. He also resisted even changing to gasoline using the same rational that I am seeing in a few posts here, "nothing we do will make any difference if coal-fired electric plants China and India keep spewing out pollution." Then the emissions scandal hit. I pointed out the high pollution levels in European cities (for example) thanks to VW and others circumventing the regulations. He started in on the "If China and India don't blah blah..." I said, kindergartens at street level in Berlin test at dangerous levels of pollution because those cars are kicking out pollutants going by right outside in the streets. It doesn't matter what China and India do: people need cleaner air right where they are. We're not breathing the air in Delhi or Beijing (thank goodness). But we need less pollutants here and now. One time he was idling his car on our forested property while he loaded stuff into it. I said pointedly, "Bill! 40 cars are idling in my woods!" He shut off the engine. Eventually he turned in the diesel car and got a gas one. Me, I would have preferred that he not give any more money to a corporation which had willfully set back environmental progress 20 years, but I have to take my small victories where I can. I also got him to replace his honking big diesel pickup with a gas version when it was totaled.

Regardless, I think we are doomed. Honestly. We don't deserve this planet. 2 million years from now, whatever species manages to become ascendant will say, "The Anthropocene Era ended very quickly. Nobody knows why. Maybe a virus. Maybe a conflagration. It's a mystery..." So I plant trees and am working to prevent more trees from being cut down. Only trees will outlive us.