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Art Deco said:
Yikes. Don't ride in this heat.
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Hottest Temperatures in Arizona and Nevada History Are Possible (Published 2021)

A heat wave across the western United States, already facing a severe drought, could deliver temperatures above 125 degrees.
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123 in palm springs yesterday. People, ya know it´s time to worry when in rains
but fails to reach the ground. I fell in with migrating lemmings tuther day in an attempt
at vacation, Itś just bin too much fer folks. They´re crashin´ outa lockdown & going
face naked all over the place. Inslee may as well make it official instead of waiting
for the June 30. Holy Cow, I ain´t tryin´ that again ´til October. Half the tourist trap
businesses are just GONE, kaput, finito! I rolled thru Port Angeles, 5 mph, bumper
to bumper both ways all the way to Fat Smitty´s. The Spruce Rail Trail is now open
from both ways. Criminey! What a zoo! Got the very last parkin´ space. Peds, dog
walkers, acoustics, & more damn ebikes than I´ve ever seen in one place, Amazing,
I musta rode past 50 dogs, & not one tried to eat me. The peds & walkers thinned out
after 3 mi, mosta da acoustics were gone at 5 mi. By mile 8 I wuz purty much alone.
I want to try again but not anytime soon.
 
reed scott said:
WE'RE ALL GONA DIE !!! Yeah, well welcome to the club. Didn't they explain that part to you at orientation ?
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Reasonable theory, but not decisively proven, that's always been my position, though I admit that there have always been a few isolated problems with my belief system. (For example, I don't believe in the Hoover Dam, even if this is only because I know that I will always hold false beliefs, and by deliberately choosing some that are obviously absurd, I hope to avoid the more dangerous problem of false beliefs I am unaware of.)

Everyone has died so far, or almost everyone, we think (see Jesus Christ Superstar reference above) but I don't think we have enough evidence to say that this definitely will happen to everyone.

What I tell myself to get through the day: Hey, the odds for immortality, I'll admit, look pretty bad. But you never know. I could be the first guy.
J.R. said:
Ian Gillan, lead singer of Deep Purple, is one of the very best RnR singers of all time. His range!

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I also love the lyrics, even if they are bombastic and pretentious, and one of the reasons I wound up getting into punk rock.

This stanza is RIGHT on point r.e. mortality in general, even for those of us who are not the Supreme Being:

"Can you show me now that I would not be killed in vain?
Show me just a little of your omnipresent brain,
Show me there's a reason for your wanting me to die,
You're far too keen on where and how, and not so hot on why"

Carl Anderson's numbers as Judas are great, too-- love those lyrics, and just a great performance. I did see it on Broadway back in the day, and still have the vinyl somewhere.
 
Catalyzt said:
Reasonable theory, but not decisively proven, that's always been my position, though I admit that there have always been a few isolated problems with my belief system. (For example, I don't believe in the Hoover Dam, even if this is only because I know that I will always hold false beliefs, and by deliberately choosing some that are obviously absurd, I hope to avoid the more dangerous problem of false beliefs I am unaware of.)

Everyone has died so far, or almost everyone, we think (see Jesus Christ Superstar reference above) but I don't think we have enough evidence to say that this definitely will happen to everyone.

What I tell myself to get through the day: Hey, the odds for immortality, I'll admit, look pretty bad. But you never know. I could be the first guy.


I also love the lyrics, even if they are bombastic and pretentious, and one of the reasons I wound up getting into punk rock.

This stanza is RIGHT on point r.e. mortality in general, even for those of us who are not the Supreme Being:

"Can you show me now that I would not be killed in vain?
Show me just a little of your omnipresent brain,
Show me there's a reason for your wanting me to die,
You're far too keen on where and how, and not so hot on why"

Carl Anderson's numbers as Judas are great, too-- love those lyrics, and just a great performance. I did see it on Broadway back in the day, and still have the vinyl somewhere.
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Too bad the writers of JCST were not better biblical scholars. To my mind, after 71 years of questioning, it appears obvious we live in an impossible reality. Especially since the last few decades where we found out just how huge the universe is and yet it is indeed finite. Maybe it would have been better if we could have continued to believe it was infinite and timeless. But no. They had to go and prove it had a beginning and will ... have an end. Thus we all face the great question: What IS reality? You pays your money and you takes your chances.
 
reed scott said:
Too bad the writers of JCST were not better biblical scholars. To my mind, after 71 years of questioning, it appears obvious we live in an impossible reality. Especially since the last few decades where we found out just how huge the universe is and yet it is indeed finite. Maybe it would have been better if we could have continued to believe it was infinite and timeless. But no. They had to go and prove it had a beginning and will ... have an end. Thus we all face the great question: What IS reality? You pays your money and you takes your chances.
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All the astronomy tells me is that we are very well isolated... I imagine glactic civilizations as a row of petri dishes far enough apart that they can't contaminate each other. Or help each other. Or even communicate. We must assume we are alone untill something lands on the WH lawn. And probably even then.
 
Art Deco said:
All the astronomy tells me is that we are very well isolated... I imagine glactic civilizations as a row of petri dishes far enough apart that they can't contaminate each other. Or help each other. Or even communicate. We must assume we are alone untill something lands on the WH lawn. And probably even then.
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At distances that take tens of thousands of years to cross space, all of written human history is no more than a pretty good start. I am OK with that.
 
Art Deco said:
All the astronomy tells me is that we are very well isolated... I imagine glactic civilizations as a row of petri dishes far enough apart that they can't contaminate each other. Or help each other. Or even communicate. We must assume we are alone untill something lands on the WH lawn. And probably even then.
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When I was a kid we barely grasped the size and scope of just our galaxy. Now we know there are so many galaxies the matrix is akin to the structure of a sponge if imagined on a small scale. But just our galaxy few can grasp the distances. Imagine a representation of our galaxy, say the size of a large computer screen. All the stars we can see with the naked eye would be only the size of a golf ball on that scale. Personally I think what we have here is a problem of scale. Sorta like bacteria would have trying to grasp the totality of an organism the size of a Blue Whale.
 
reed scott said:
When I was a kid we barely grasped the size and scope of just our galaxy. Now we know there are so many galaxies the matrix is akin to the structure of a sponge if imagined on a small scale. But just our galaxy few can grasp the distances. Imagine a representation of our galaxy, say the size of a large computer screen. All the stars we can see with the naked eye would be only the size of a golf ball on that scale. Personally I think what we have here is a problem of scale. Sorta like bacteria would have trying to grasp the totality of an organism the size of a Blue Whale.
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Or to go all 1960s ... "to see God "... but that's not for me. But yeah if the weather kinda sucks, that up to us to fix. If there are too many babies, thats up to us, too. Not enough breeding pairs of an endangered species? Yep, that's our problem too. What about X problem 100 years from now ? Yep, thats us too.
We can and must manage the planet, because we are the only chance we have. /offtopic even for offtopic..
 
Hmmm, another time when shallow might be a treat, or at least a break. Although third world travels still boost my comfort level when I remind myself to compare.


I heard Allah and Buddha were singing at the Savior's feast
And up in the sky an Arabian rabbi
Fed Quaker Oats to a priest
Pretty good, not bad, they can't complain
'Cause actually all them gods are just about the same
Pretty good, not bad, I can't complain
'Cause actually everything is just about the same

No disrespect intended.
 
reed scott said:
Too bad the writers of JCST were not better biblical scholars. To my mind, after 71 years of questioning, it appears obvious we live in an impossible reality. Especially since the last few decades where we found out just how huge the universe is and yet it is indeed finite. Maybe it would have been better if we could have continued to believe it was infinite and timeless. But no. They had to go and prove it had a beginning and will ... have an end. Thus we all face the great question: What IS reality? You pays your money and you takes your chances.
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How scholarly do they need to be considering the book was written by a bunch of men that thought the earth was flat?
 
reed scott said:
WE'RE ALL GONA DIE !!! Yeah, well welcome to the club. Didn't they explain that part to you at orientation ?
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Of course we are, but it will be much worse for your children! Look at the current U.S. Drought
Monitor map. I-5 needs to be closed to everything but cargo & mass transit. That giant red blob
is rapidly creeping up the Great Basin devastating agriculture not just in CA & Az, but also
OR & WA. Clear-cut logging has crippled the rainforest´s ability to sustain watersheds. Too
densely planted re-forestration has created spindly dry sticks, inches apart that are nothing but
kindling. If they ever go up, last fire season will look like a hibachi. The U.N. sez we´re reaching
the tipping point. I think itś already past. Chile & Argentina are looking good to me..:eek::eek::eek:
 
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