Specialized Turbo Vado SL: An Incredible E-Bike (User Club)

Sounds like a fault to me. I shift my Vado SL without pausing, as you should, and generally without even easing pressure on the pedals. It always changes smoothly and no different to Shimano HG on regular bikes. 2022 models have SRAM gears but I don’t know what they are like.
 
Ronaan, I'm very much interested to hear about your riding experience with Vado SL so far. How does it feel for you? What is the typical area/terrain you riding in?
I also encourage you to post in the David Berry's thread!
Stefan,

I'm just some old bloke doing recreational cycling on my Vado SL. The first ride was this tour with my best friend:
(hope this works)

We live in a pretty hilly area ("Frankenjura"), so there are lots of ups and downs. Feels like there are more "ups" really.

The only other ride I did before the weather went bad and Cov19 got me stuck indoors was the way to work and back, once. Another 38km in total.

So far I really like the bike a lot. The stock saddle and grips are ok for me, even without padded pants I was doing fine.

I like that you can just ride without motor assistance in the flat areas, it feels so light and swift.
On my way to work I hit 61.4km/h as topspeed (I braked, heh), and the bike just rode like on rails. I had other bikes that looked more sturdy but those started to wag their tails at much lower speeds sometimes. It's an amazing piece of technology and did I mention it's beautiful?

Even the wife said "wow it's beautiful" when I brought it home, and she's usually not one to awe over technical things.

Fell in love with the bike when I saw it on the specialized website. You know which picture I'm talking about ;-)
Of course that's a marketing photo but it captures the spirit so well.

My isolation is officially over so after easter I'll be riding as much as the weather allows it. I don't have any wet gear and I don't really want to do the 19km office ride in rain either way.
I will try to take some pictures along the way so I can post a bit in the David Berry's thread.
 
I only have 80km so far but I try to pedal „slower“ when shifting, seems to work so far.

(we used to stuff our shoelaces into the shoes back in the day to avoid them getting caught in the chain/ring)
Two pairs of shoes I have bought in the last year (Scott and Shimano) have loops of elastic on the tongue to secure excess laces. I haven't used the loops as I am used to tying the laces with a double knot to minimise the excess and keep them secure.
 
We live in a pretty hilly area ("Frankenjura"), so there are lots of ups and downs. Feels like there are more "ups" really.
It is a most interesting write up, Robert! Thank you!
I cannot remember what you wrote on your fitness before. I would personally avoid riding my SL in such a hilly area because of my state of health but I hear many users fare pretty well on their Vado SL and Creo in hilly areas. 61.4 km/h downhill, ooooh! I rode downhill that fast only on my full power Vado and on the Giant Trance E+. Never had the chance to ride dowhill that fast here (no substantial hills in the area where I live).

I make easily 100 km on my Vado SL (with Range Extender), and my farthest distance was 116 km in the warm season. I do a lot of 8-15 km grocery shopping rides during the week, and I love visiting two renowned cafes of the neighbourhood (known for their support to cyclists), 38-42 km round trip. With the 3 Range Extenders, I expect really long rides in the warm season!
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Ooops! Only 4 metric centuries on my Vado SL? Shame on me!

I agree the Vado SL is a masterpiece of technology, it is a very modern e-bike, and it is beautiful. Yours is especially gorgeous because of its colour! Mine is not as beautiful colour-wise as yours but I had no choice, and the Dove Gray grew on me :)

Two pairs of shoes I have bought in the last year (Scott and Shimano) have loops of elastic on the tongue to secure excess laces. I haven't used the loops as I am used to tying the laces with a double knot to minimise the excess and keep them secure.
Richard: I have standardized on Adidas FiveTen FreeRider Pro. These shoes do not have flaps to cover the laces. I just am careful when I tie them now. I had a worse situation in heavy winter boots once...
 
Two pairs of shoes I have bought in the last year (Scott and Shimano) have loops of elastic on the tongue to secure excess laces. I haven't used the loops as I am used to tying the laces with a double knot to minimise the excess and keep them secure.
My last two pairs of SPD bike shoes -- Louis Garneau and Shimano -- use the Boa lacing system, which I could not recommend more highly for both fit and convenience. It gives a very even pressure along the lacing area and is easily adjustable. You can even make adjustments without taking your feet off the pedals just by reaching down. They might look a bit fragile but have a lifetime warranty.
 
Some quick thoughts on the 2022 Vado SL 4.0 EQ. It's a great bike and since there are many positive reviews, I'll focus on the nitpicky stuff.
  • Very light. Almost as light as my hybrid commuter bike.
  • The Tektro brakes bite well once bedded in.
  • Walk mode engages immediately after pressing the button, unlike the 2 second delay in the non-SL Vado.
  • The motor gives a loud high pitched whine while running. The belt driven non-SL Vado is quieter and has a lower pitch.
  • 250W nominal and peak power means it's hard to go past 24mph let alone the 28mph limit on flats without significant rider power.
  • The right-side brake and shifter cables get in the way of the front light.
  • Front and rear lights cannot be turned off while the bike is on. Lights turn on when charging unless manually powered off every time.
  • Strongly prefer the magnetic Rosenberger RoPD charging cable of the non-SL Vado.
    • Bumping into the SL's charging cable will break pins.
    • Moving the bike backwards with the charger plugged in will spin the cranks and break pins.
  • The wireless TCD trip computer seems like an afterthought. Not worth the extra $90.
    • Needs to be powered on separately from the bike each ride.
    • Can not be controlled by the wired buttons on the left side of the handlebar, unlike the non-SL Vado.
    • Backlight stays on for only 5 seconds after a button press. No way to keep it on and is unreadable during the night.
I was able to get an extra internal battery. I'll be looking into running it in parallel with the internal battery like a range extender.
 
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I'll focus on the nitpicky stuff.
Your observations are very true.

The right-side brake and shifter cables get in the way of the front light.
I have reorganized it by using a GoPro camera mount to move the headlight past the cables. A simpler solution here.

Front and rear lights cannot be turned off while the bike is on.
A ride safety feature (of which I am very fond).
Lights turn on when charging unless manually powered off every time.
True. As long as the e-bike is on, you can track the battery charging level on TCD, Mission Control, Wahoo, Garmin...

The wireless TCD trip computer seems like an afterthought. Not worth the extra $90
The capability is the same as of the TCD-w Gen 1, only it cannot be operated by the handlebar remote. I use a Wahoo ELEMNT as a universal display but Wahoos start at $300 (similarly to Garmin Edge) while the TCD is only $90.

I was able to get an extra internal battery. I'll be looking into running it in parallel with the internal battery like a range extender.
I wonder if that would work out. The SL system is very well "internally aware" and it can tell the difference between the internal battery and Range Extender. For instance, it is not possible to charge two REs with the SL Y-Cable. The advantage of the RE is it is only 2.2 lbs and may be (or may be not) taken for a ride (to save weight). Two Range Extenders are more practical than a single main battery. Just saying.

Doesn't that make a crunching sound as the chain climbs up and down the sprocket?
I apologize for asking trivial questions:
  • Do you maintain the chain, by degreasing and oiling it?
  • Has the derailleur been adjusted at least once?
 
Doesn't that make a crunching sound as the chain climbs up and down the sprocket? That can't be good for the longevity of the drivetrain.
Yeah - I ease up when shifting all my bikes, although it's difficult when I need to shift down (larger cog) when the going gets tough on a climb.
 
Yeah - I ease up when shifting all my bikes, although it's difficult when I need to shift down (larger cog) when the going gets tough on a climb.
The key is to ensure enough of the e-bike momentum uphill. I typically downshift dramatically when I am in the beginning of the climb, and spin at some 90 rpm. When I see on the cadence meter I get down to 80, the bike still rides fast enough to stop pedalling for a short while, downshift again (Shimano allows as many as 3 gears down), and start spinning again.
 
The key is to ensure enough of the e-bike momentum uphill. I typically downshift dramatically when I am in the beginning of the climb, and spin at some 90 rpm. When I see on the cadence meter I get down to 80, the bike still rides fast enough to stop pedalling for a short while, downshift again (Shimano allows as many as 3 gears down), and start spinning again.
Yes, I'm well aware of all that (after all, I've been riding for 50 years!), and I was thinking more about my conventional bikes where you can't always call on some extra torque to make up for having failed to shift in time. :D
 
Yes, I'm well aware of all that (after all, I've been riding for 50 years!), and I was thinking more about my conventional bikes where you can't always call on some extra torque to make up for having failed to shift in time. :D
I also had coffeemaker in my mind when I wrote my post :)
Doug, starting up a 19% grade (in the middle of it) was a thing! (with my full power Vado). First, I had to downshift all the way to the granny gear using the Walk Mode... (But you know the story!) :D
 
The capability is the same as of the TCD-w Gen 1, only it cannot be operated by the handlebar remote.
I'm used to the wired TCD of the non-SL Vado, which I dearly miss. Backlight that was synced with the bike light power, controlled by the remote buttons, etc.
Two Range Extenders are more practical than a single main battery. Just saying.
I'd get the range extenders if they were cheaper. I got a brand new internal battery for a good deal from someone who was shipping their bike overseas without it. The system does indeed know the difference between the internal battery and a range extender. I may have to run the two internal batteries in parallel. I have some poking around to do.
Do you maintain the chain, by degreasing and oiling it?
Has the derailleur been adjusted at least once?
I degreased the chain and put RocknRoll dry lube on it. It works for me, but I may try thicker Muck Off Lube next. The shifter itself is perfect. On max assist, the motor is extremely sensitive and kicks in with the lightest of pedaling.
When downshifting, I'd stop pedaling for half a second, shift down, then start pedaling. On the non-SL Vado, the motor would kick in after the shifting has completed. Only my light pedal torque would be used to change gears. On the SL, the motor kicks in immediately and would crunch through the gears. I may need to change my shifting technique to stop chewing through the drivetrain.
 
On max assist
You've found the culprit! I do my shifting very instinctively (it has become my second nature). For instance, I use the Turbo mode rarely, and when I do, I do my shifts very carefully. When slowing down with an expected stop (in any assistance mode) I even do not notice my "three gear downshifting".

I degreased the chain and put RocknRoll dry lube on it. It works for me, but I may try thicker Muck Off Lube next.
My recommendation: use the dry lube for dry weeks and the "wet" one for rainy days. It is the chain rollers that require the lubing only: the rest of the chain should be dry and clean, or it would attract dirt.

Regarding the TCD vs TCD-w, I generally agree with you. If I, however, didn't buy the Wahoo, I would still be using the TCD. OTOH, some people complain they cannot remove the TCD-w from their e-bikes...
 
No. Shimano HG (Hyperglide) is designed so that the chain climbs smoothly up the sprockets while in continuous motion. It has worked that way since its introduction in 1989! See https://konstantin.shemyak.com/cycling/HG/hyperglide.html
Continuous motion, yes, but I think it puts extra stress on it if it's under a heavy load at the time. On my regular road bike I can definitely feel (and hear) the difference. I believe that some ebikes detect a shift and momentarily cut the motor to shift more smoothly.
 
Continuous motion, yes, but I think it puts extra stress on it if it's under a heavy load at the time. On my regular road bike I can definitely feel (and hear) the difference. I believe that some ebikes detect a shift and momentarily cut the motor to shift more smoothly.
I probably don’t have enough strength to create put the system under “heavy load”.
 
Yeah - I ease up when shifting all my bikes, although it's difficult when I need to shift down (larger cog) when the going gets tough on a climb.
I agree - My Vado SL 4.0 with the 10 speed clunked loudly when I shifted to a smaller sprocket. I tried to slow my cadence way down or even stop pedaling for a split second before shifting. Riding with assist off, it was a much quieter shift. My creo, with an 11 speed, has a noticeable but much quieter shift noise. I’m not sure if that’s just because of the closer spaced gears or a better derailleur. Probably both. With assist off, the creo is smooth and silent shifting. I ride mostly in eco or without assist, only occasionally in sport for short distances. I do think the shifting clunk is more noticeable in the higher assist levels.

I used rock n roll gold on my Vado sl and switched to the rock n roll red (”absolute dry”) for the creo, just to see if it’s even cleaner than the gold, which I was happy with. Because of the increased load on the drivetrain from the mid motor, I think chain cleaning and lubing is essential. I only had my Vado SL for 1700 miles but my Park chain gauge didn’t’t show any wear at that time. I’m lubing my Creo every 75 miles or so.

Living on the central California coast, I never ride in the rain. Quite a change from when I lived in the Pacific Northwest. Chains last way longer here and tires don’t flat nearly as often on dry roads.
 
Living on the central California coast, I never ride in the rain. Quite a change from when I lived in the Pacific Northwest. Chains last way longer here and tires don’t flat nearly as often on dry roads.
I've had really good results from the Silca wax dip here in Santa Barbara. I had to change a tube mid-ride, and my hands were clean even after handling the chain and rear derailleur.
 
...and my hands were clean even after handling the chain and rear derailleur.
That would be a first if I ever experienced it! But ever since I had a road bike with white bar tape and changed a flat on the rear, I learned to carry a pair of disposable latex gloves in my toolkit.
 
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