Specialized Turbo Vado/Como/Tero/Tero X User Club

Oh, I'm just giving you a hard time. What's the fastest way to get $100k in the bike business? Start with $1 million ;)

heh heh .. Yeah, I heard something similar when I bought a horse and then some mares to breed. But then was added, " And remember, while you sleep, THEY eat. Ebike definitely a better investme...er, expenditure.
 
heh heh .. Yeah, I heard something similar when I bought a horse and then some mares to breed. But then was added, " And remember, while you sleep, THEY eat. Ebike definitely a better investme...er, expenditure.

I'm 34, single, it's just myself and my business partner who's wife is a school teacher. We BARELY make enough to put foot on the table. We own everything and don't owe money to anyone, but you can't pay rent with e-bikes...

That said there are some nice benefits, I get to play with bikes all day and ride a Vado 5.0 to the shop!

Speaking of which, I've had Tannus liners in for about 500kms, the additional weight is noticeable when lifting the bike into the repair stand, ride quality is about the same though. No discernible difference in range or anything, perhaps the upgraded wheels offset the additional unsprung weight and rotating mass.
 
I just did an ODO check on the Como using a measuring wheel.

At the Como ODO indicated 1 mile mark, the measuring wheel indicated 4879, or 401 ft. short of 5280, or 1 mile.

The Como tire circumference is set to 88.78.

Using my old math skills, I come up with the tire circumference needing to be 96.

At the half mile mark because the numbers were different and not exactly half, the math indicated the Como tire circumference needed to be 99.

Interesting the difference between the 1/2 and 1 mile mark.
 
Just a quick question if anyone knows. I FINALLY got my Vado 5 delivered today. They say it’s a 2020.
My question is my headlight is attached to the fender, but I see most Vado 5s seem to be on the handlebars. Does anybody know why it’s one or the other?


Where is the Tail Light mounted? I was in the LBS yesterday and they had a couple of ebikes on the floor and the tail lights were moved from under the seat to the rear fender. They said they came in that way.
 
Well, let me say the the Flux 1200 looks awesome, especially now that I've been doing 5:30 AM rides at dawn for a few weeks now, it would seem to be a logical choice for vision and safety. However, reading some of the miserable reviews (sure, there are. the good ones), regardless of any BS excuses by whomever about Covid, blah, blah, blah this or that, I find it very, very disturbing to read some negative reviews, but mostly something like this: (in the review on the Specialized site)
Link to Specialized site for light: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/flux-1200-headlight/p/159102?color=&searchText=49119-1610
"Expensive junk. Now, after writing a couple of emails to see if Specialized would do anything for me, I've received zero responses to my inquiries."
"I have used it twice and the switch has stopped working. I have called and emailed Specialized support and have received no response"

Brings me to this point; I prior to making a purchasing decision of my Turbo Vado 5.0 had my own issues with inept and unresponsive dealers to get proper info about availability and had to bypass all the BS and just tell a local dealer to order the damn thing. I've been very, very happy with the bike. But again, PRIOR to making ANY purchasing decision (which is what I attempted to do, I attempted to contact Specialized Corporate sales (or ANYONE who would be kind enough to answer the phone to speak with me), zero response, zero call back, zero opportunity, zero anything. So yeah, me too, zero anything!

PRIOR to the 'pandemic', was this the norm for customers who chose Specialized?

I'd love to keep my eggs in one basket, and buy one or 2 more bikes, but the bad taste of the experiences previously and the acknowledgement of others experiences makes me have serious concerns as to what may lie down the road when I may need to go to the head of the class for any reason whatsoever, and nobody answers the call.

So, as much as I'd jump to buy the light referenced here, why? To have stomach pains and hassles and issues, or just piss away the money and write it off?

Alternately, if EU models can get Supernova M99 PRO and we in the US cannot, why can that be? I asked Supernova, and got this response:

According to my list, our M99 Pro is not compatible with the Vado because it only outputs 12V at its light port.Simply plug and play does not work here.
Our M99 Pro needs a voltage of min. 24V - max. 60V. It gets this only from the supply voltage of the batteries.
There the + and - line must be connected.
Afterwards the front light would switch on automatically via the motion sensor as soon as the e-bike is in motion,
and switch off again after a standing time of approx. 4 minutes.
However, we can't tell you whether the Specialized software allows operation or blocks it,
as with the new Bosch motors.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen // Kind Regards


So, in the real world, one would normally deal with a LBS to assist (a Specialized dealer), and if possible, it would be done. If not, then explained why not. Point? Why EU not USA?

I guess the point here is that yup, I expect a lot....a whole lot, from any company I give my money to, any. And if not responsive or accommodating, sure, I go elsewhere, but let's get real. Is this the new norm?
 
Finally at home! Not even 1 mile yet. Have to wait until tomorrow morning to ride (already 90 degrees at 9:30). When they delivered it clock was set correctly and latest firmware was downloaded. They gave me a card suggesting 40lbs In the trigger tires. I’m 200lbs so I already put 60lbs in them. Sound reasonable?
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Well, let me say the the Flux 1200 looks awesome, especially now that I've been doing 5:30 AM rides at dawn for a few weeks now, it would seem to be a logical choice for vision and safety. However, reading some of the miserable reviews (sure, there are. the good ones), regardless of any BS excuses by whomever about Covid, blah, blah, blah this or that, I find it very, very disturbing to read some negative reviews, but mostly something like this: (in the review on the Specialized site)
Link to Specialized site for light: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/flux-1200-headlight/p/159102?color=&searchText=49119-1610
"Expensive junk. Now, after writing a couple of emails to see if Specialized would do anything for me, I've received zero responses to my inquiries."
"I have used it twice and the switch has stopped working. I have called and emailed Specialized support and have received no response"

Brings me to this point; I prior to making a purchasing decision of my Turbo Vado 5.0 had my own issues with inept and unresponsive dealers to get proper info about availability and had to bypass all the BS and just tell a local dealer to order the damn thing. I've been very, very happy with the bike. But again, PRIOR to making ANY purchasing decision (which is what I attempted to do, I attempted to contact Specialized Corporate sales (or ANYONE who would be kind enough to answer the phone to speak with me), zero response, zero call back, zero opportunity, zero anything. So yeah, me too, zero anything!

PRIOR to the 'pandemic', was this the norm for customers who chose Specialized?

I'd love to keep my eggs in one basket, and buy one or 2 more bikes, but the bad taste of the experiences previously and the acknowledgement of others experiences makes me have serious concerns as to what may lie down the road when I may need to go to the head of the class for any reason whatsoever, and nobody answers the call.

So, as much as I'd jump to buy the light referenced here, why? To have stomach pains and hassles and issues, or just piss away the money and write it off?

Alternately, if EU models can get Supernova M99 PRO and we in the US cannot, why can that be? I asked Supernova, and got this response:

According to my list, our M99 Pro is not compatible with the Vado because it only outputs 12V at its light port.Simply plug and play does not work here.
Our M99 Pro needs a voltage of min. 24V - max. 60V. It gets this only from the supply voltage of the batteries.
There the + and - line must be connected.
Afterwards the front light would switch on automatically via the motion sensor as soon as the e-bike is in motion,
and switch off again after a standing time of approx. 4 minutes.
However, we can't tell you whether the Specialized software allows operation or blocks it,
as with the new Bosch motors.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen // Kind Regards


So, in the real world, one would normally deal with a LBS to assist (a Specialized dealer), and if possible, it would be done. If not, then explained why not. Point? Why EU not USA?

I guess the point here is that yup, I expect a lot....a whole lot, from any company I give my money to, any. And if not responsive or accommodating, sure, I go elsewhere, but let's get real. Is this the new norm?


"I guess the point here is that yup, I expect a lot....a whole lot, from any company I give my money to, any. And if not responsive or accommodating, sure, I go elsewhere, but let's get real. Is this the new norm?"

Yeah pretty much. I gave up on three different bikes and dealers due to very poor communication or none at all. I finally found someone who was nice and pleasant and answered all my questions. I promptly spent $4.5k. And still I know it's a crap shoot. The guy could just be a smooth operator. But ... getting in to this one should realize that with you tube and forums like this you can learn to wrench any and all aspects of your bike. Parts are a real problem for now however.

I pray daily the bike gets here without much damage. That's another hurdle.
 
Finally at home! Not even 1 mile yet. Have to wait until tomorrow morning to ride (already 90 degrees at 9:30). When they delivered it clock was set correctly and latest firmware was downloaded. They gave me a card suggesting 40lbs In the trigger tires. I’m 200lbs so I already put 60lbs in them. Sound reasonable?
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Congrats!

60lbs should be good. 40lbs seems awfully low for these tires considering that Specialized rates them at 50-75psi.

I ride at 55-60lbs.
 
I just did an ODO check on the Como using a measuring wheel.

At the Como ODO indicated 1 mile mark, the measuring wheel indicated 4879, or 401 ft. short of 5280, or 1 mile.

The Como tire circumference is set to 88.78.

Using my old math skills, I come up with the tire circumference needing to be 96.

At the half mile mark because the numbers were different and not exactly half, the math indicated the Como tire circumference needed to be 99.

Interesting the difference between the 1/2 and 1 mile mark.
Rolling wheels are pretty accurate. I've had several styles. In retirement I kept my favorite, it has a 48" circumference wheel with 4 cogs that trip a resetable mechanical counter that displays feet.

What type did you use? Did you roll it along side when you rode the bike for the 1 mile measurement?
 
I have a 3 ft. wheel. I walked it. The Como duplicated the recorded distance to within a few feet. The Vado was closer to the marks but not by much, don't know what the circumference is at for it. I'll have to do it another day. I'm guessing the vado would have to be in the low to mid 90's.
 
I have a 3 ft. wheel. I walked it. The Como duplicated the recorded distance to within a few feet. The Vado was closer to the marks but not by much, don't know what the circumference is at for it. I'll have to do it another day. I'm guessing the vado would have to be in the low to mid 90's.
Out of curiosity, I followed my old wheel measurement technique; chalk mark on the tire sidewall, and on the pavement then 10 rotations with a 2nd set of marks. Without a rider my Vado rolled 73'8" over the 10 revolutions. This works out to tire circumference of 88.5"/2247mm. With a rider, the 10 revolutions were 2'4" short of the original mark indicating an effective circumference of 85.6"/2174mm.

I used the front tire for this setup. It was at 54psi. The distance was measured with a 100' fiberglass tape measure pulled to 10lbs tension. Ambient temperature was 84F.

I repeated the distance measurement with my 48" circumference rolling wheel. I did 4 runs removing any rocks, sticks, etc being careful not to let the wheel lose contact with the smooth pavement. For each run, I initialized the wheel to have a measurement cog just past the indicator lever to assure a full foot for the first measurement. I followed the tensioned tape measure as closely as possible to get a straight run each time. I estimated fractions of a foot by observing where the next cog was positioned in relation to the counter lever. My 4 runs averaged 73-1/2 feet with a variance of +/-1/4 foot for the non-rider distance indicating a circumference of 88.2"/2240mm. I repeated this wheeled measurement twice more allowing the wheel to hit small rocks and sticks on my driveway. The measurements were as high as 74-1/2', the additional distance being caused by the wheel losing contact with the pavement but continuing to spin.

Bottom line, I'm OK with industry recommendations of 88.6"/2250mm for my Trigger Sport tires.

BTW - I've done this in the past for each of my bike/tire combos. The measurement is always close to industry numbers. I just go with industry numbers now.
 
Are there closer dealers that don't stock the Specialized e bikes? They can still perform the service side of things, should they desire.

Blows me away that you could have the Specialized line and not align with the ebike side of things. I get it if you're strictly a specialty shop, but why not have the ability to do the basic service??! It's not that hard!

It's the fastest growing market segment with solid demand and yet shops keep thumbing their nose. Amazing.

The other Specfilaized dealer in town doesn't carry ebikes because as they put it "our customers don't buy bikes at that price point." They don't service them either.
 
Good for you. My gps is still closer btw. It was over the mile mark indicating 1.05.
Hey, just presenting a data set that should be reproducible. Coincidently, it matches industry published figures pretty well. It also suggests a tendency for rolled wheel measurements to elongate measurements on the order of 1.2%. Combining that with the gps variance of 5% to the wheeled measurement yields an apparent tire circumference that will differ from industry figures.
 
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