Specialized Turbo Creo 28mph Electric Road Bike

So there is a new version (quiet) motor for the Creo??
I guess so.
Compared to old one is like night and day. And there was nothing wrong with old one, it was just like that from the start, which I presumed was OK as SL Levos with the same motor have been also quite load at the launch.
But new Vado has much quieter motor so I guess all new SL and Creo also got the same treatment now.
 
Hi,

my name is Jo and I live in Germany, southeast from Frankfurt.
I’m 49 now, doing a lot of “allday cycling” since I’m 19, many years instead of having a car. The last 7 years I used a speed or S-pedelec to get to work. That’s what we call here the ones which can support over 25km/h up to 45km/h, but which have several disadvantages here, need of driving license, insurance, license plate and lots of restrictrictions and certifications, for drivers and manufacturers. That’s why all these are quite heavy, even with strong motors and big batteries. But there’s nothing like a Creo, not one light pedelec with just little support over 25km/h.
We moved last year, now it’s to far to cycle all day to work, so I do more tours with my gravelbike in my free time. Due to more mountains around now, this is more interesting, but at the moment with more than 100kg weight it’s challenging. Without motor I’m often tired and a little bit frustrated already after one hour. With the speed pedelec with lowest motor support it’s fine and enough range, but the weight of the bicycle is terrible, around 25kg. Also unpaved roads are often illegal as it’s classified as a small motor cycle here and you aren’t allowed to change several parts (e.g. tires).
I tried a Creo two mounths ago and was really excited, I’ve never tried such an E-bike/pedelec which feels less like like one, this would be perfect for me! I only disliked the price and the motor noise…
Specialized lowered the price (here?) for the lowest two Creos 2.5 weeks ago and I finally found a serious local dealer which offered at least a small discount, so I had to pay about 1000 € less than most dealers still wanted in June. Still a terrible price for the simple components, but enough to push me, so I ordered a Creo Comp Carbon Evo in XL, which I ride since tuesday.

Sorry, for the long introduction, but pedelecs and their speed limitations are different here, what I wanted to explain. Also the Creo is not very popular (other than the Levo SL) here, as most people who prefer racing handlebars (is that the right expression?) or racing bicycles are very conservative and believe all motor support only for old or fat or disbled people. An E racing bicycle is still a no-go for 99% of them. Therefore there’s also not much discussion and exchange about the Creo, that’s why I registered here.

It may be right, that a fit and light rider will have less benefit from/less need for a Creo and also the speed limit here makes it less usefull in flat areas. I cycled thursday to work, 40km with 170 hm and did not feel much benefit. Back home there are more hm and two long and stressing uphills, but overall not to terrible for 40km. Altogether I wouldn’t buy a Creo for this and stay with my normal gravelbike.
But with hills and mountains it’s completely different. Today I did 60km with 730hm and was really tired. But never “dead” or insane what would have been the case without motor after the first or second mountain. I used exactly half of the battery (which is about 20-30% of the electrical energy I would need with the speed pedelec, depending on the support level). So I think it’s obvious that’s far from swinging eggs. Instead the Creo pushes you to go further, to do even a dertour or a hill more than you would normally do. Even if you’re fit and light.
Maybe I will have less or no more need in a few years for the Creo in perfect shape. But if this happens it has done a good job for me and my health.

To the technical part: Disappointing at the comp is the simple and heavy sprocket cassette, but that’s quiet easy to change. Worse are the simple wheels combined with the proprietary axle size. I’m not an expert in wheels, but I had several times in strong uphills with the lowest gears and in fast rough downhills the impressions that the 24 hole rear wheel is quite flimsy at my weight. I have a 28 hole wheel set from an excellent wheel builder for my normal gravel bike with only the rear wheel around 200g lighter and perfectly strong and reliable in any situation even with my weight. So I will order a similar wheel set for the Creo, even if it hurts that I can’t use the old one/that the Creo does not simply use 12x100+12x142.


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need of driving license
From when is the driving license needed to ride the L1e-B moped? No. Neither in Poland nor in Germany :) Registration, insurance, certificate of conformity, all-day lights, horn, helmet, cannot ride bike-paths - true. No driving license required though. (I can show you the proper points of the EU law if you want. When I was inspected by a policeman, he was a real nuisance but the only thing he never asked me for was the driving license).

That’s why all these are quite heavy, even with strong motors and big batteries.
Not true. My Vado 5.0 Euro S-Pedelec (2017) weighs 24 kg, same as my Giant Trance E+ 2 Pro e-MTB Class 1. (I don't even want to know what you used to ride... 100 f*n' kilograms?!)

so I ordered a Creo Comp Carbon Evo in XL, which I ride since tuesday.
Sincere congratulations!

I have two comments:
  1. If you knew it before, you would be riding Specialized Turbo Vado 6.0. which is the only Specialized Euro S-Pedelec available today. Haibike also makes S-Pedelecs in Germany, similar weight. Riese & Muller, too (but the latter are heavier and very expensive).
  2. With Creo SL, you surely need to de-restrict it, sorry. While the 25 km/h e-MTB makes sense, as you don't ride faster than 25 km/h off-road (unless it is downhill), a road bike limited to 25 km/h is a sheer stupidity of our law-makers...
 
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Stefan, I don't know why you focus so much an speed pedelecs, which ist not the point in this thread, it was just to explain how I came to the Creo.
You need don't need necessarily a car driving license here for s-pedelecs but at least a L1e-B/"moped" license. I have a few friends which would like to ride a s-pedelec but don't (want to) have any driving license so they can't. Even if the chance of a real control is still small.

I know several s-pedelec brands and models, which means the legal ones here in Germany supporting up to 45km/h and there is no light one. 24kg is an average weight for a s-pedelec and still has a big influence for riding characteristics compared to 12-14kg. Have you ever tried a Creo or a Vado SL?

I don't see the need for offending me (or you...) or what my (over)weight has to do with the bike weight? Also fat drivers don't like heavy bikes and take advantage and enjoy light ones.

It's a pity that's a bike the Creo is under the 25km/h restriction here and yes, the laws here are stupid there. But the Creo has no "wall" at or over 25km/h, you don't feel when the motor fades our or comes back. In this point it's the best 25km/h E-bike I'v ever ridden. And it's not useless with the limit, it's great for hilly areas and tours, where I'm usually unable to keep 25km/h uphill and exactly for this I bought the Creo (not for cycling to work). So motor assistance up to 32 or 45km/h would be nice for me, but not mandatory. I needed let's say an "encouragement" uphill to have more freedom in length and choice of my tours in the mountains here. Others seem to think similar, as I knew several riders here with a Creo more fit and less fat than I.
Maybe my first post was too long and to be misunderstood somewhere?
 
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to be misunderstood somewhere?

@jodi2,
I must admit I misunderstood you to some extent. True, Germany requires at least a moped driving license to operate the L1e-B (no such requirement for Poland). True, you mentioned your own weight of 100 kg; I weighed 107.5 when I bought S-Vado 5.0 (and I weigh 89 kg now); I have never had trouble riding my Vado 5.0 at high speed. I really meant no offence -- I misunderstood you.

Now, you say 24 kg is a lot for an e-bike. The true fact is most of good "full-power" e-bikes weigh the same (I own three of them). The SL e-bikes are very special because these are so lightweight but since the level of the support (and torque) is lower than in the "full power" (or "heavy") e-bike, the SL e-bikes require the rider is healthy and fit. It is not that it is an e-bike for everyone.

You have asked if I tried the SL. No, I haven't. I tried a 9 kg traditional bike to find my ill legs don't let me ride such a bike. I need at least 200 W of actual assistance to feel comfy on a "heavy" e-bike, is it L1e-B or a normal 25 km/h e-bike.

I am very glad that you bought the Creo SL. I also appreciate the fact it helps negotiating hills and headwind. I have heard from other users there is no "wall effect" at 25 km/h on Creo SL, which is a very good thing if you can pedal faster. So I sincerely congratulate you buying that e-bike.

No intention to offending you whatsoever! It was my own fault. I am sorry if you thought otherwise.

Cheers!
Stefan
 
I weighed 107.5 when I bought S-Vado 5.0 (and I weigh 89 kg now); I have never had trouble riding my Vado 5.0 at high speed.
I rode overall three s-pedelecs the last 7 years to get to work with almost 50.000km. But I was able to keep my weight... ;-)

Now, you say 24 kg is a lot for an e-bike. The true fact is most of good "full-power" e-bikes weigh the same (I own three of them). The SL e-bikes are very special because these are so lightweight but since the level of the support (and torque) is lower than in the "full power" (or "heavy") e-bike, the SL e-bikes require the rider is healthy and fit. It is not that it is an e-bike for everyone.
I also must admit that the Vado/the Brose motor is one of the few systems I haven't tried yet, maybe it's better in same points than other S-peds.
I also didn't want to say, that a Creo in general is better than a s-pedelec. These are great for riding middle-distances very fast (even better if it's flat) and with less sweat and exhaustion , e.g. to get to work. I'm a lot slower with the Creo and I sweat and gasp a lot more, it would be a bad idea to use it all day to cycle to work and than join my colleagues without a shower... ;-) But in my free time in the mountains I prefer the Creo much more and chances are better to reach your weight soon! ;-)

Cheers!
Joachim
 
Joachim,

Let me share my own experience. As I have said, I personally need to ride a powerful e-bike. However, my beloved brother is healthy, slim and fit. I lent him my Vado for a month once. He was making his 2x17 km work commutes typically riding at 45 km/h (and often supported the bike himself by strong pedalling) to be at 47. I told my brother he actually didn't need such a powerful e-bike and he would be happy with the Vado SL or Creo. He replied he wouldn't like to be limited at 25 km/h... He'd rather buy the Vado 6.0 and limited the PAS using Mission Control. Or, he'd buy a lightweight traditional bike.

Such a life! Different needs, different products available. And that's very very good.
 
I am in the USA and seriously considering the Creo. I am a pretty fit rider but I am also 63 so the stamina is not like it used to be for sure. I have rode two Trek Fazua bikes and did not like them. I thought they were pretty under powered and quite honestly both bikes had a creaking noise from the seat post. It would drive me nuts in the long term. I hope to test a Creo here in the next week. These test reports from owners are very good to read. Thank you.
 
I am in the USA and seriously considering the Creo. I am a pretty fit rider but I am also 63 so the stamina is not like it used to be for sure. I have rode two Trek Fazua bikes and did not like them. I thought they were pretty under powered and quite honestly both bikes had a creaking noise from the seat post. It would drive me nuts in the long term. I hope to test a Creo here in the next week. These test reports from owners are very good to read. Thank you.
I'm not sure why you think the Creo has more power. Comparing the motor specs, the Fazua has more torque and power. As a minimum, I would expect them to perform similarly.
 
My LBS told me stem was not replaceable due to the suspension system??
You can use a regular stem (for a 1 1/8" steerer tube) with an adaptor shim.
It should have come with your bike, but the dealer may have kept (or discarded) it.

See this thread for pictures of the shim and the part number if you need to order one:

 
I have rode two Trek Fazua bikes and did not like them. I thought they were pretty under powered and quite honestly both bikes had a creaking noise from the seat post. It would drive me nuts in the long term. I hope to test a Creo here in the next week. These test reports from owners are very good to read. Thank you.
I agree with Mike that the Creo/the SL unit does not have more power. With the new black pepper firmware Fazua is even stronger. But of course possible ranges are much smaller with black pepper and less Wh. Also the SL is normally noisier than Fazua. But has other advantages, just try it!

my beloved brother is healthy, slim and fit. I lent him my Vado for a month once. He was making his 2x17 km work commutes typically riding at 45 km/h (and often supported the bike himself by strong pedalling) to be at 47. I told my brother he actually didn't need such a powerful e-bike and he would be happy with the Vado SL or Creo. He replied he wouldn't like to be limited at 25 km/h... He'd rather buy the Vado 6.0 and limited the PAS using Mission Control. Or, he'd buy a lightweight traditional bike.
Surely not all fit riders see a need for a 25km/h SL bike and weaker or heavier riders like me benefit more from this drive. For me it's ok to do all the work alone over 25km/h and I would be happy if I also uphill wouldn't need any help and wouldn't need a bike that is more expensive, complicated and heavier. So a 25km/h Creo has only a limited range of customers.
But your brother should try it, it's very different from other 25km/h E-bikes and the weight is much more fun.
 
Two technical Creo questions:
- I would like to change the stem for a shorter and lighter one. But due to future shock the shaft diameter also of the stem seems different, I measure something like 24.8-24.9mm. What the heck is this? And where Do I find stems for this??? Are we bound to eternity to the Specialized Future Stems? I guess I need an adapter, from 22mm to 28.6mm?
- Also I would like to change to cranks to lighter carbon ones. Is this possible and does it save some gramm? And is the crank fitting standard? I tried to remove the inbus/socket/hex screw in the crank, but it's very tight and I'm unsure how easy I can damage something in the motor or if it's a left-hand thread?
 
Two technical Creo questions:
- I would like to change the stem for a shorter and lighter one. But due to future shock the shaft diameter also of the stem seems different, I measure something like 24.8-24.9mm. What the heck is this? And where Do I find stems for this??? Are we bound to eternity to the Specialized Future Stems? I guess I need an adapter, from 22mm to 28.6mm?
- Also I would like to change to cranks to lighter carbon ones. Is this possible and does it save some gramm? And is the crank fitting standard? I tried to remove the inbus/socket/hex screw in the crank, but it's very tight and I'm unsure how easy I can damage something in the motor or if it's a left-hand thread?
Re. you questions on the stem. See if this answers them - https://electricbikereview.com/foru...d-creo-sl-normal-stem-shim.35414/#post-298780
 
Two technical Creo questions:
- I would like to change the stem for a shorter and lighter one. But due to future shock the shaft diameter also of the stem seems different, I measure something like 24.8-24.9mm. What the heck is this? And where Do I find stems for this??? Are we bound to eternity to the Specialized Future Stems? I guess I need an adapter, from 22mm to 28.6mm?
- Also I would like to change to cranks to lighter carbon ones. Is this possible and does it save some gramm? And is the crank fitting standard? I tried to remove the inbus/socket/hex screw in the crank, but it's very tight and I'm unsure how easy I can damage something in the motor or if it's a left-hand thread?

If you're looking to change out the crank arms to carbon, Praxis makes a carbon set that comes with the S-Works. They go on pretty easy using an 8mm allen wrench. https://praxiscycles.com/product/carbon-m30-ecranks/
 
If you're looking to change out the crank arms to carbon, Praxis makes a carbon set that comes with the S-Works. They go on pretty easy using an 8mm allen wrench. https://praxiscycles.com/product/carbon-m30-ecranks/

I'm a weight weenie on my analog road bike. I have those Praxis M30 carbon cranks.

On my Creo SL, its really doesn't matter. Its all function and comfort. No counting grams. We have the motor to compensate. It will never approach the UCI 14.99lb limit!
 
Thank you, I will follow this thread now. (I already posted this on saturday, but the post vanished somehow...)
If you're looking to change out the crank arms to carbon, Praxis makes a carbon set that comes with the S-Works. They go on pretty easy using an 8mm allen wrench. https://praxiscycles.com/product/carbon-m30-ecranks/
Thank you very much, this is what I'was looking for! The brand ist also listed with other carbon cranks in several shops here with reasonable prices. So hopefully no need to order directly from the producer with customs and shipping, even if the SL cranks are not listed yet here.

@sfebiker You are right that tuning on E-bikes is less necessary than on organic bikes. But where to you set the limit? If weight doesn't matter on an E-Bike one could say "Hey, you stupid Creo SL riders, why do you spend so much money for a light E-Bike, just buy a standard Bosch bike with 10kg more, it's the same!". And we all know that this is not the case... ;-)
For the better Creos from Expert line on I also don't see much need for weight tuning, but the lower versions like E5 and Comp are purely equipped. Also some carbon cranks would fit to the Creo, at least from Expert line on. Ah, I see the S-Works has them!
 
"Hey, you stupid Creo SL riders, why do you spend so much money for a light E-Bike, just buy a standard Bosch bike with 10kg more, it's the same!"
I take a bet I'll outrun a Creo SL rider on a 85 km / 1500 m elevation gain ride if I ride my 45 km/h Vado 5.0 with a spare battery in my pannier 😀
(Because a 520 W peak power motor with 90 Nm really matters in the mountains, and the bigger weight only means more battery energy expenditure).

P.S. I also wonder how comes I overtake roadies riding their 9 kg mechanical bikes up 6-12% gradient hills. Low weight matters? Not necessarily.
 
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Stefan you miss again the topic of this thread or the reason for buying&riding a Creo or a SL drive.
Of course a more powerful drive unit is faster. If your ride a 10% uphill with your vado with 10miles/h you need about 570W, where 400-450W comes from the motor. With a light racing bike and racing tires you would need about 460W for the same speed a 10% uphill. With a Creo you would need about 490W, motor maximum is afaik 240W, so you won't hold that speed very long, but maybe 8miles/h and without vomiting at the top of the hill and to have the mood for some more hills.
But riding a light E-Bike is not be faster uphill, it's to have a bike that feels and reacts almost like a normal bike, not like a light motor cycle...
 
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