Specialized Trigger vs Schwalbe Marathon E Plus

[Kam1936]

I'm so happy Kam I feel as if I were you Bear in mind the Ortliebs require occasional maintenance. Tighten the screws in the panniers occasionally. Don't overload the bags. If already don't own it, fill the panniers with Ortlieb Commuter Ins

Please do. FWIW, the wheel circumference as recorded in my Vado is 2255 mm.
(Good point on BLEvo!)

Currently my wheel size is set same as yours. The screenshot of the other person's 5.0 Vado is larger than ours. I was wondering what type of tires and or rims that makes his wheel size different than ours. Just curious. When it stops raining I will head over to lbs to get motor/display update. I'm thinking the rotation is affected as my Electraks are noticeably larger than my previously used Triggers?

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Kam, I don't know. Ive only noticed the figure of 2255 mm (88.78 in) matched the Electraks perfectly.. That is, the display and the GPS match each other perfectly at the inflation pressure of 58 psi.

P.S. Whichever other tyres I tried, those were producing far more of rolling resistance than Electraks ever did, resulting in slower rides. I was riding in the rain at low 40s F with perfect road grip. The only reason I'm riding Schwalbe Marathon Winter Plus 28 x 2.0" is the ice on the roads now...

 

[Kam1936]

Kam, I don't know. Ive only noticed the figure of 2255 mm (88.78 in) matches the Electraks perfectly.. That is, the display and the GPS match each other perfectly at the inflation pressure of 58 psi.

P.S. Whichever other tyres I tried, those were producing far more of rolling resistance than Electraks ever did, resulting in slower rides. I was riding in the rain at low 40s F with perfect road grip. The only reason I'm riding Schwalbe Marathon Winter Plus 28 x 2.0" is the ice on the roads now...

Okay. I just had a closer look. On the sides of these Electraks it says 700 x 51 c and 51-622. Psi 30-65. Yours are 47-622? 89.26 is 1/2 more than what my Triggers were wheel size. Also, these Electraks are 29 × 2.0" So there is a difference. Just wondering if its the 1/2 inch wheel circumference the other person's 89.29 inches.

 

[Kam1936]

Kam, I don't know. Ive only noticed the figure of 2255 mm (88.78 in) matched the Electraks perfectly.. That is, the display and the GPS match each other perfectly at the inflation pressure of 58 psi.

P.S. Whichever other tyres I tried, those were producing far more of rolling resistance than Electraks ever did, resulting in slower rides. I was riding in the rain at low 40s F with perfect road grip. The only reason I'm riding Schwalbe Marathon Winter Plus 28 x 2.0" is the ice on the roads now...

Also, the triggers I had on before were slightly off from my display according to 2255. I changed it in BLEvo to 88" and then converted it to metric which made BLEvo more accurate to the display than MC by .003. Not a huge difference but more accurate than MC.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

On the sides of these Electraks it says 700 x 51 c and 51-622

This.

Also, these Electraks are 29 × 2.0"

This.

I can only tell you Specialized used these tyres in high-speed Vado 5.0 in 2017 and still use Electrak 2.0, 51-622 in 2021 EU Vado 6.0. They defined the wheel circumference to 2255 mm at that time. These are the facts.

 

[Kam1936]

This.


This.

I can only tell you Specialized used these tyres in high-speed Vado 5.0 in 2017 and still use Electrak 2.0, 51-622 in 2021 EU Vado 6.0. They defined the wheel circumference to 2255 mm at that time. These are the facts.

I just found this from a website. 700 x 47 has larger wheel circumference than MC reports. Let me check out what BLEvo read more accurately to the display.

 

[Kam1936]

Notice wheel size was adjusted BLEvo to 88.8" MC 88.7. Only a tenth of a difference but makes BLEvo more accurate by .003. Looking at all now they appear to be the same because it's only showing to the tenth. So not a big difference I'm sure. 51-622 reports wheel circumference as 2255 for the Vado 6.0? More investigation.

 

[Kam1936]

This would seem to be more accurate in estimation. 2293 wheel circumference.

 

[Kam1936]

Okay. Going to do experiment. Changed wheel size. To 90.3" per website instruction. Going to use GPS to test the accuracy of it. Closer to other person' s Vado wheel size of 89.29.

 

[Kam1936]

Okay. Going to do experiment. Changed wheel size. To 90.3" per website instruction. Going to use GPS to test the accuracy of it. Closer to other person' s Vado wheel size of 89.29.

I made a mistake in saying closer. I should of said larger. 1.01 larger. I had a look in BLEvo. According to BLEvo 2268 converts to 89.3. As close as you can get to 89.29 in the App. Same with 88.8 being as close as you can get to 88.7 to convert it 2255. So the LBS set the other person's Vado 5 according to that chart. 700 x 47. (Screenshot). I will still test ride with GPS BLEvo wheel size to 90.3 and report my findings. I read MC used to have this function with the LEvo.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

That's interesting, Kam. Please report on your findings.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

This would seem to be more accurate in estimation. 2293 wheel circumference.

Kam, I made this observation, based on 50-622 Schwalbe Marathon Winter Plus tyres on my Vado:

The actual tyre size differs from the 2255 mm specified in my Vado. Simple math:
Actual wheel circumference would be (13.04 / 12.8) * 2255 = 2297 mm (90.44 in). I will test that using BLEvo, too. Tomorrow.

 

[Nxkharra]

Can someone please compare Electrak 2.0 Vs Scwalbe Marathon E+?
You will get a bonus point if you do this before @Stefan Mikes!

@Stefan Mikes ???

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Cannot say anything, as I cannot compare 42-622 Marathons to 51-622 Electraks on different e-bikes

 

[Kam1936]

28+ mile ride GPS Blevo. Findings inconclusive. Difference to small to tell. GPS was spot on with display. Same with max speed. Changing the wheel size created real miles vs adjusting to miles if wheel was set to 90.3" from the beginning. That didn't help. GPS still matches the display with the Electraks.

 

[Kam1936]

I got my motor/ display updated today but it now shows my wheel size as 2000 mm in MC?

 

[Kam1936]

I got my motor/ display updated today but it now shows my wheel size as 2000 mm in MC

So, I uninstalled BlEvo and then reinstalled. It detected my real wheel at 2300 mm. Converted to inches 90.6. Real miles is accurate to my display. But the other reading is way off in proportion to 2000 mm wheel. When I try to set the wheel size t0 2000 mm it only allows me to Ser at 2100 with a warning about speed/ law and may void my warranty? So the LBS derestricted my bike in the process of updating my motor?

 

[Kam1936]

In the last post I made a mistake. Miles is accurate to the the display. Real miles is saying I actually traveled shorter distance. It's weird that BlEvo detected the actual size of the ELectraks 90.6 slightly larger than 90.3 (50-622) in the chart. Should I take it back to the LBS or leave it deresrricted? I always set my perimeters to much lower than the defaults anyway. BLEvo will be accurate MC will show me traveling less and slower than I'm actually going? I mentioned to the lbs that the Electraks are larger than the stock triggers. I thought the adjustment would be larger not smaller. The employees working were kind and receptive in the shop. Not like the assholes where i purchased my bike.

@Stefen Mikes did you try uninstalling/reinstalling BLEvo? At first installation before changing perimeters BLEvo will detect actual wheel size. I remember that I had to adjust it for the triggers so miles and real miles matched up.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

It is all very very strange Kam. Could you please give the LBS a call and ask them why such a strange number is there for wheel circumference? I would be sick if I had such a discrepancy set in my Vado. (NB: I didn't take a ride on Vado on Sunday, it was Trance E+ I rode). Besides, my Trance has too small a circumference set by factory (2178 mm while it should be 2255) but I'm not touching that for other reasons.

No, I didn't reinstall BLEvo and don't intend doing that, as I never touch anything that works

 

[Kam1936]

Update: All is well. Latest firmware for motor/display are okay. I figured it out on my own. I reset MC (there is a setting for that) uninstalled/reinstalled the app. Reset BLEvo presets. Uninstalled/reinstalled. 28mph/range/hill climbing all working as expected.