Some days are just like that!

[tomjasz]

Thankfully I deal primarily with senior DIY riders. They tend to be retired fellas with lots of mechanical skills. Often RC guys too. But every once in awhile youngsters, fortyish fellas, are complete ASKHOLES. Regardless of what we say, do, suggest, or even insist, its the right way... they refuse to listen and then, well, aren't pleasant.

Sorry. I have fun here and typically feel like people here, more than any other forum do seriously try to help and guide. Forum best. And thanks for the great camaraderie. And generous help. I've learned so much more about ready mades!

 

[DDBB]

Having an RC background does help.. brushless motors, lithium cells, electronic speed controllers etc. all part of the dedicated RC enthusiasts repertoire

 

[AHicks]

I've trained ASKHOLES to fly RC planes. I'm here to tell you, at some points you're further ahead stepping back and letting them crash. That establishes a little more credibility into what you were trying to tell them for sure.

There's a certain truth to the "show me" type of learning that's unavoidable to even the simplest minds!

 

[DDBB]

The worst RC airplane students are real scale pilots. I should know, I was one and thought flying RC would be easy

 

[ilanarama]

But every once in awhile youngsters, fortyish fellas

It's delightful to be in a corner of the internet where youngsters are fortyish! (Being fiftyish myself.)

 

[AHicks]

The worst RC airplane students are real scale pilots. I should know, I was one and thought flying RC would be easy

Yup, learned that lesson too. I had a neighbor who was a corporate pilot, flying for a tier 1 auto supplier. He and a couple of friends decided over a couple of beers that they would like to learn to fly RC, and I volunteered (was drafted). That was quite an education, watching them struggle so badly. It was finally decided among us that they were used to taking info from their butts (climbing, turning, accelerating, etc) and using that to feed input to their hands and feet. In RC, ALL that butt info is useless. It's ALL about ears and eyes feeding input to your hands/fingers!

Never taught a more entertaining crowd though. Some of the conversations we had were very enlightening!

One of them later goaded me into learning to fly full scale as a pay back. That's about as much fun as a man can have with his pants on. Caused me to take a 15 year vacation from RC. At that point I had been flying RC for quite some time....

 

[tomjasz]

Having been a horticulturist and trainer in garden arts including arboriculture, I think I had the worst askholes were in that world. Although I did adult classes at UNLV and the students were lawyers, professors, and their peers. They were great. But when working Water District Fairs and working with homeowners I found it completely unrewarding and frustrating. I would sometimes volunteer at local nurseries, but soon refused to ever talk to another homeowner. After all, any idiot can plant and grow a garden....THIS is actually fun when I look back to those adventures.

 

[DDBB]

I too was a corporate pilot (retired now).. I thought "how hard can it be?" about RC airplanes.. It was an expensive lesson to learn that yeah, it's really hard. Of course the biggest problem is the reverse sensing. No problem with the plane flying away from me but coming back at me it was confusing and caused a lot of crashes.. Oh well, we're getting too far off topic

 

[Feliz]

I also flew until age caught up with me so when I started flying RC I thought "I'll show these guys"..........NOT. It's not as easy as it looks.
Oh, I was a lowly private pilot and I took my lessons when I was 60, I really struggled but even a crosswind landing in a Cherokee is easier than flying RC.

 

[AHicks]

It's actually easier transferring knowledge gained in RC to full scale. Nobody had to show me about stall recovery, minimum controllable airspeed, power management, and one lesson that saved my bacon when an engine let go on me, how to determine best power off glide speed w/minimum sink rate (a skill learned while flying RC gliders). My biggest trouble was learning to use the radio in a manner that would keep me out of trouble! Corporate pilot buddies a HUGE asset there.

OK Thomas, not another word that's off topic here from me. -Al

 

[tomjasz]

I also flew until age caught up with me so when I started flying RC I thought "I'll show these guys"..........NOT. It's not as easy as it looks.
Oh, I was a lowly private pilot and I took my lessons when I was 60, I really struggled but even a crosswind landing in a Cherokee is easier than flying RC.

1946 T-Craft here. From Missoula Cnty Airport. 1978-1981

 

[Feliz]

1946 T-Craft here. From Missoula Cnty Airport. 1978-1981

Tom, you never cease to amaze me, and you practiced brain surgery,....right?

 

[eaglemike]

I completely understand about days like that! Most of my customers are wonderful, a lot of them are really great. There's a few though, that make life harder than it needs to be. I'm getting better at focusing on the positive experiences, and trying to wipe away the bad experiences.
Tom, I hope the frustrations don't outweigh the good times......

 

[Handlebars]

So, is there possibly a "flipside" of this phenomenon? As a lesser member recieving an unwarranted unfair and illogical personal degradation under this "expert advisor being misused" umbrella, I think it stinks.

 

[AHicks]

So, is there possibly a "flipside" of this phenomenon? As a lesser member recieving an unwarranted unfair and illogical personal degradation under this "expert advisor being misused" umbrella, I think it stinks.

If I'm understanding your point correctly, can I just suggest one generally has a choice regarding mentors/instructors? If there's no respect available in the pairing, there's not a lot of good that's going to evolve from time spent together....

 

[Handlebars]

If I'm understanding your point correctly, can I just suggest one generally has a choice regarding mentors/instructors? If there's no respect available in the pairing, there's not a lot of good that's going to evolve from time spent together....

AHicks, true, true. And that's a shame because I was thankfully gaining different perspectives and advices. Now however it seems past that and that a kind of forum "rousing" is occurring.

 

[Feliz]

You're being bullied on this forum?

 

[Handlebars]

So my question is: Is there a flipside to the phenomenon?

 

[Feliz]

So my question is: Is there a flipside to the phenomenon?

I would say there sure could be!

 

[Handlebars]

You're being bullied on this forum?

I have just been pointed to as one of these unworthies, and now a dedicated thread appears on the general subject.