biknut, you do not annoy me at all. I just pity you for being so childish.
Thanks to George S for pointing me to that forum, I came across this post by MWKeefer which I thought was worth sharing
Mwkeefer on February 26, 2015 at 7:48 pm said:
Any person with some experience can tell from the specs they claim and the hardware specs in reality that they are seriously overinflating range, speed on a flat, etc while simultaneously understating weight but that at least has evolved in their specs as times moved on.
The issue many of us on ES have with this “scheme” is simple, when vendors over promise capabilities customers are left unimpressed… At least after the initial, very short (a day?) honeymoon period. The quality is questionable too as the bike itself looks to be thin tube framed, similar to the walmart bikes those of us with some experience know will fail quickly.
The power pack is a freaking joke, that much is self evident.
This is all before production or delivery or lack there of. Personally I don’t think it will materialize or be delivered not because of the people being scammers or “rip off artists” but simply because of poor estimates of costs involved all around by the company. That said, had they stopped funding at 70K perhaps it would have been possible but truly, 7000 EBikes is a huge thing to deliver on and requires massive logistics, man power and warehouse space and who knows if they can pull it off, again at their price point for 7K I just don’t see it coming to fruition.
You of course as anyone on ES is welcome to their opinion but opinions are like aholes and most are uninformed as the lay person who has little or no experience with EBikes, import/export or actual real world specs. After 8 years of building my own EBikes and providing technical consulting to many eBike vendors and builders on ES I think my opinion is an educated one so I stand by it.
Sad part is, no matter if they deliver or not people will be disappointed just like ezip owners and worse because at least ezips don’t over claim their specs and most people are quickly put off by them and their weight, not to mention range and speed.
Personally I wouldn’t be concerned with the storm if it were capped to 70K investment but with 7000 promised (and counting) EBikes I hope everyone realizes how that adds up?
For comparison if January 2014 sales of Chevy volts is 918 units, an annual sales base of roughly 11,000 cars for 2014… But remember that’s a company with infrastructure and experience so 7000+ EBikes from an unknown entity is just plain ridiculous for a company of their size… were this huffy, mongoose or even Schwinn (tail wind?) offering these I’d still believe people would be disappointed but at least I’d believe they could pull off the logistics, but they are known entities like Chevy in the car world.
The whole thing is just a potential powder keg.
To summarize my opinion, I’ve not ordered and will not order one… Even for testing purposes.
-mwkeefer
Thanks to George S for pointing me to that forum, I came across this post by MWKeefer which I thought was worth sharing
Mwkeefer on February 26, 2015 at 7:48 pm said:
Any person with some experience can tell from the specs they claim and the hardware specs in reality that they are seriously overinflating range, speed on a flat, etc while simultaneously understating weight but that at least has evolved in their specs as times moved on.
The issue many of us on ES have with this “scheme” is simple, when vendors over promise capabilities customers are left unimpressed… At least after the initial, very short (a day?) honeymoon period. The quality is questionable too as the bike itself looks to be thin tube framed, similar to the walmart bikes those of us with some experience know will fail quickly.
The power pack is a freaking joke, that much is self evident.
This is all before production or delivery or lack there of. Personally I don’t think it will materialize or be delivered not because of the people being scammers or “rip off artists” but simply because of poor estimates of costs involved all around by the company. That said, had they stopped funding at 70K perhaps it would have been possible but truly, 7000 EBikes is a huge thing to deliver on and requires massive logistics, man power and warehouse space and who knows if they can pull it off, again at their price point for 7K I just don’t see it coming to fruition.
You of course as anyone on ES is welcome to their opinion but opinions are like aholes and most are uninformed as the lay person who has little or no experience with EBikes, import/export or actual real world specs. After 8 years of building my own EBikes and providing technical consulting to many eBike vendors and builders on ES I think my opinion is an educated one so I stand by it.
Sad part is, no matter if they deliver or not people will be disappointed just like ezip owners and worse because at least ezips don’t over claim their specs and most people are quickly put off by them and their weight, not to mention range and speed.
Personally I wouldn’t be concerned with the storm if it were capped to 70K investment but with 7000 promised (and counting) EBikes I hope everyone realizes how that adds up?
For comparison if January 2014 sales of Chevy volts is 918 units, an annual sales base of roughly 11,000 cars for 2014… But remember that’s a company with infrastructure and experience so 7000+ EBikes from an unknown entity is just plain ridiculous for a company of their size… were this huffy, mongoose or even Schwinn (tail wind?) offering these I’d still believe people would be disappointed but at least I’d believe they could pull off the logistics, but they are known entities like Chevy in the car world.
The whole thing is just a potential powder keg.
To summarize my opinion, I’ve not ordered and will not order one… Even for testing purposes.
-mwkeefer
